Please blanket nerf and do not implement item upgrades.

[Bullettime]

It cannot possibly be 8% because item levels aren't linear, each ilvl is 1% increase over the previous one. Not to mention that class scaling isn't linear either and 8 more level can allow to reach some new haste breakpoints or maybe chain crit for more pyros or whatever.

Some classes and specs will benefit more than others due to innate scaling differences. Someone like a Fire Mage or Affliction Warlock may see a 10% gain while a Hunter or Death Knight see lower results around 6 due to poor stat scaling. But willing to take the word of a developer who does this type of stuff, and already has done the math, over people from the forum that haven't shown the actual math. No offense.

[Didacticus Syntacticus]

Similar case as the person you mentioned: As a fairly casual 25 man guild we've been hurt pretty badly by attendance issues + swimming in Agility/Int DPS so I never got a great chance to build stuff for a Feral/Balance spec as I never got a chance at specific pieces of loot.

It will be a pretty rare guild that has been farming the exact same content for 6+ months. Generally, people either progress, or stop doing the exact same thing over and over again.

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This post was saying, this game was still fun for me to play despite a tier going on for 9 months. This game is no longer fun now that the 'farm' timesink of rank competing and playing offspec / alts is being destroyed.

It's not being destroyed; it's being rejuvenated.

You are the sort of person who likes to sit on PvP ranks too?

[Hyve]

It's 8% according to Watcher.

Hence the "~". Either way, 8% is still a good chunk more Healing, Damage & Survivability. Any boss you're working on, or have on farm, is going to be easier.

[Sildor]

Blanket nerfs are boring, this gives an increase that you still work a bit for and doesn't feel as shitty.

[Trubo]

It will be a pretty rare guild that has been farming the exact same content for 6+ months. Generally, people either progress, or stop doing the exact same thing over and over again.

Then perhaps my guild is rare as we've gone through several people as they've gotten tired of 3-5 week progression on the last few bosses or IRL issues crop up. That gear that would have benefited my Druid instead went to new recruits or straight up wasn't Leather.

Plus, considering we only raid 2-3 nights a week we have extended several lockouts just to get more time on a particular boss that gear wouldn't solve.

[Durantye]

This item upgrade idea is horrible. It equates to roughly a 12% power increase, can we please just have a blanket nerf to the raid. Personally I'm not happy the contents being nerfed anyway, but that's besides the point. I play four specs on my druid and have spent months getting all my gear sets upgraded and into a Bis / near BiS state. 2 items per week for 64 items to upgrade means it will take 32 weeks for me to finish upgrading my gear. Thats around 7 months.

Please reconsider and blanket nerf the content or remove VP cap so I can atleast go ham and just get it all upgraded.

Nightrise.

Every single person in the game has at least 3 specs most classes have nearly every piece being different in bis than their main spec. You can not honestly tell me that you are optimal and have mastered all 4 of your specs, especially as a druid who have feral one of the most complex rotations in the game.

You don't need 4 specs no guild in their right mind would have a druid with 4 specs sincerely considering all of them for raiding unless you were god, and if you were god you wouldn't want blanket nerfs.

[Deleted]

Please think before you decide to make a reply to a thread next time. Playing all 4 specs for raiding purposes means you're bringing maximum potential from your class to your raid group.

I HIGHLY doubt that.

This item upgrade idea is horrible.

No its awsome!

It equates to roughly a 12% power increase, can we please just have a blanket nerf to the raid.

Source for THAT number pls?

Personally I'm not happy the contents being nerfed anyway, but that's besides the point.

Then why do you care AT all?

I play four specs on my druid and have spent months getting all my gear sets upgraded and into a Bis / near BiS state. 2 items per week for 64 items to upgrade means it will take 32 weeks for me to finish upgrading my gear. Thats around 7 months.

Apart from not beliving you may + 7 month = december = release month of wod. excactly WHY blizzard is doing this.

Please reconsider and blanket nerf the content or remove VP cap so I can atleast go ham and just get it all upgraded.

Pls if you wanna adress blizzard use the blizz forums....

This statement is wrong is so many ways.

No it the truth - that was excactly why blizzard was unhappy with naxx 1.0

Even for people who play two specs, that will take roughly 3.5 months to upgrade. I know pure DPS players who have different gear sets. This also makes all current rankings on worldoflogs / warcraftlogs irrelivant and makes it a pretty unrewarding environment to rank in when every week the next wave of people have an advantage over you. The question is; why are people who've farmed the full instance enough to be BiS and have taken the effort to upgrade gear being punished because other people can't clear the instance?

EXCUSE ME? RANKINGS? youre kidding right? the races are over.... and ofc it takes some time to upgrade all but THIS is excactly what blizzard wants to keep ppl playing!

[hulkgor]

You don't want this sort of upgrade because you have too many gear\specs to upgrade? That's just silly.

[Durantye]

Even for people who play two specs, that will take roughly 3.5 months to upgrade. I know pure DPS players who have different gear sets. This also makes all current rankings on worldoflogs / warcraftlogs irrelivant and makes it a pretty unrewarding environment to rank in when every week the next wave of people have an advantage over you. The question is; why are people who've farmed the full instance enough to be BiS and have taken the effort to upgrade gear being punished because other people can't clear the instance?

This actually helps you with ranking actually, you will now be able to compete with the Asia realms more and more till you are equal to ilvl in them. People who play 2 specs 9 times out of 10 have this thing called a main spec which is where they focus their time and effort.

This doesn't make the ranks on worldoflogs(lol broken parses already anyways) or warcraftlogs irrelevant, everyone who is actually competing for real ranks (heroic 25) will start off with the same gear and get their first 16 items upgraded that week immediately, then they will all be upgrading at the same pace, some might get a couple upgrades they have to put off for a bit others will not either way they'll be at roughly the same ilvl.

If anything people who are full BiS are getting rewarded from this because the ones who aren't are going to spend months longer because now the upgrading takes twice as long.

[NickCageFanatic]

This item upgrade idea is horrible. It equates to roughly a 12% power increase, can we please just have a blanket nerf to the raid. Personally I'm not happy the contents being nerfed anyway, but that's besides the point. I play four specs on my druid and have spent months getting all my gear sets upgraded and into a Bis / near BiS state. 2 items per week for 64 items to upgrade means it will take 32 weeks for me to finish upgrading my gear. Thats around 7 months.

Please reconsider and blanket nerf the content or remove VP cap so I can atleast go ham and just get it all upgraded.

Nightrise.

No no no, and no.

Nerf health and damage by 20% in the raid or make players more powerful...
The ladder clearly is a better option because it makes the player still feel accomplished and powerful.

In your case, pick 2 specs and play those...simple. If you absolutely HAVE to play all 4 then that's your issue.

[Durantye]

No it the truth - that was excactly why blizzard was unhappy with naxx 1.0

They were unhappy with naxx 1.0 because less than 1% of the player base even seen the instance at all, now 70% have seen SoO inside and 100% have access to see the entire place. Naxx was a failure cause no one seen any of the content, heroic isn't the same ball park it is supposed to be a small amount of people, but they certainly still make things for heroic players because they want something in the game for everyone to strive for.

[Deleted]

Omg lol, made me laugh. thank you for that one. Double dps spec thinking he knows what it's like to contribute to the raid with multiple specs. Your argument is lost already.

I have been tanking as well, but keep making yourself look like an idiot by making assumptions by all means.

When did you start progressing in SoO? March? How can your 25 man guild not had enough loot to gear all 4 of your specs 2 times over? When you made your earlier posts I had assumed you were in some loot-starved 10 man guild. Now I just don't even...

Thats irrelevant. In my guild we have no rosterproblems that force us to have members change specs every week.

[Ealyssa]

Please think before you decide to make a reply to a thread next time. Playing all 4 specs for raiding purposes means you're bringing maximum potential from your class to your raid group.

That's pretty casual. Someone really dedicated would have 4 druids. With 4 times the lockouts, geardrops and of course VP cap.

/sarcasm

[Nnyco]

...64 items...

you maybe think the problem could be not the system, but you?

[Didacticus Syntacticus]

you maybe think the problem could be not the system, but you?

"This game really gets my OCD going, Blizz please fix the game because I am embarrassed to see my shrink again."

[Aboubacar]

you maybe think the problem could be not the system, but you?

yeah god forbid someone actually was competent and flexible between all their specs. We should all be one-trick-ponies and play one spec and never expand and get better at the game.

I like vp upgrades instead of a blanket nerf, but the guy has a point which is even worse for alts because his OS gear could be 2/4 by now, but starting off on an alt you basically have to be carried for 2 months before you can get up to speed on gear (just for one spec).

[Deleted]

No you haven't.

Yeah I have, feel free to ask my guild if you dont believe me.

[Trubo]

Yet they make heroic only phases and bosses. okay buddy, shows how much you know.

For the most part these fights are not removed from the game so that anyone can come back later to do them.

[Deleted]

And now fix the casual cap or make justice point the currency for all upgrades... So we can at least run dungeons over the boring scenarios we've done for many many many months now to get our valor points. Or even better just get rid of valor and fuse it with justice points alltogether. In the current state of the game it wouldn't even matter.

[Aboubacar]

For the most part these fights are not removed from the game so that anyone can come back later to do them.

ur not missing anything trust me they've been nothing special since sinestra, not really alagon i guess it looked cool at least. They put almost no effort into these and they are usually broken/buggy/boring meh w/e.