There's two options;
1> Pay them a living wage
2> Expect someone else to make up the difference when you don't, meaning you're shunting off the maintenance requirements of that individual onto someone else (like the taxpayers).
The latter is the unreasonable option. There's no reason not to pay those people a living wage.
Hell, if I had my druthers, I'd push for a basic income system, and everyone would be getting their living wage direct from the government. Everyone, including the unemployed. Including kids in school. Everyone. Children would get a reduced amount until they hit 18 or are emancipated or orphaned, but everyone would be getting their basic income. I recognize this is a much more extreme proposal, however, so I usually stick with the living wage as a minimum wage, because that's just making the current system functional, rather than an all-new system.
There is no justifiable reason to deny people a living wage.
This is just objectively false, on its face, and also ignores that "real jobs" are not in infinite supply.
Hell, Ill go ahead and make this all a little more personal for me. I work in Security, I sit and basically watch an entire mall ALL day, for shoplifters for basically anything, that requires to dispatched.
I make $23 and hour, of course I have worked at this job for almost 12 years, and Really it is all I ever wanted to do, I started out here at like $6.25, taking what hours I could going to different facilities owned by the company, but honestly now I basically do what is essentially a job almost anybody could do with the right experience and training, but A lot of people don't because either A. They don't want to be here, and B. Because they have the wrong mentality. We aren't cops, but at the same time we do actually have to do our jobs and monitor the property. That being said, I still don't think we should be hiring people on as guards for $7.50 an hour, because I realize that really isn't a lot to live on, and because of that we get a lot of high turn over.
Recently though we had hired on a few more new people at about $10.00 and I can tell you from first hand experience, the candidates improved, So if i found out that tomorrow the starting wage was $15 and Hour, I wouldn't complain, and I wouldn't feel that I am due some kind of Extra raise because of it.
"If you want to control people, if you want to feed them a pack of lies and dominate them, keep them ignorant. For me, literacy means freedom." - LaVar Burton.
Again, people refuse to accept the fact that millions of legal immigrants are here, doing non-college, good paying jobs, that just require a little bit of training, or knowledge above the level of an entry level job.
This is a lie being repeated over and over in this thread. It is just sad to me that so many Americans, stuck in entry level jobs,believe college is the only path to a livable wage. It is this lie being told over and over " no good jobs, unless you have a degree". it makes me so sad that people are convinced of this. I just wish this lie would disappear.
I guarantee you many of the low paid,entry level job working people are not even aware of the untold amount of good paying, non-college, jobs. I just wish our gov't would stop giving work visas for these jobs, and then companies would be forced to go recruit and train these people.
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Back in the day the way you created an uprising was the middle and lower uniting against the upper. You burn the top part and everyone moves up a step.
The upper end has the middle so fixated in fear and greed on the poor, they have ensured that mode of them being unseated won't happen again. Your actual ally in, "US VS THEM" is not people above you, but below.
Under you is the true test of everything that makes a good person good. It's never not been that way, which is why it's silly when people get all crazy that those with less want a step up.
"If you want to control people, if you want to feed them a pack of lies and dominate them, keep them ignorant. For me, literacy means freedom." - LaVar Burton.
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Honestly I find it amusing people that demonize education one minute then promote it the next as long as its the right kind of education.
Regardless to how expensive college is, or how ill advised going to school for some dead fields.
EDUCATION is actually ALWAYS a good thing, especially a Liberal Education where one exposes one self and mind to new ideas and different concepts, even though that notion scares some folks.
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I'm pretty confident I know what I'm talking about. I picked up a lot from my marxist professors in college and I live in Wisconsin, where the seat of power is Madison (or "Moscow West")... where the protests of the Left have been crystal clear... not to mention highly acerbic and disgusting.
No, didnt say that, but we could stop the policy of bringing more in, or stop renewing visas, for non-college jobs, and then companies would be forced to go recruit and train people out of entry level jobs. We bring in almost a million legal immigrants a year, many are here so that companies can save a little money on training. It is fucking ridiculous.
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To be clear:I am arguing millions of these jobs do exist, and are more created every year, but the US govt gives companies visas, so they can save money on training
1. Your "Marxist professor" isn't actually someone in power.
2. The stringently Liberal elements you'll sometimes find on campus generally hate the Democrats, the actual "Liberals" in power, because the Democrats are a center-right party and have been since Clinton, at least.
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