So, why their excuse now?

[Derah]

For years and years, a certain segment of the alliance players have whined and whined and whined over and over, that the sole reason all world first boss kills always go to the horde, was that we had broken OP racials and theirs were crap.

But now, the tables are turned, our racials were nerfed hard, theirs were buffed to hell and back again, and they were all gushing and bragging about how all the major guilds would transfer to alliance.

But guess what? Mythic boss kill world first, still belong to the horde. So..... what's their excuse now?

[SL1200]

This is why I love wow.

[provaporous]

For years and years, a certain segment of the alliance players have whined and whined and whined over and over, that the sole reason all world first boss kills always go to the horde, was that we had broken OP racials and theirs were crap.

But now, the tables are turned, our racials were nerfed hard, theirs were buffed to hell and back again, and they were all gushing and bragging about how all the major guilds would transfer to alliance.

But guess what? Mythic boss kill world first, still belong to the horde. So..... what's their excuse now?

its not blizzards fault all the baddies roll ally.

#LRN2PLAYSCRUB

[Spraxle]

Account sharing and the Horde Racials are still better?

NE racial changes on time of day, Worgens never changed, Humans bonus rep gain and EMFH aren't really amazing for raiding, Gnomes have the snare remover, Draeni's didn't change, Dwarves didn't change. Or am I missing something?

But good bait thread I guess. You'll probably get 19 pages of responses.

[Kallisto]

For years and years, a certain segment of the alliance players have whined and whined and whined over and over, that the sole reason all world first boss kills always go to the horde, was that we had broken OP racials and theirs were crap.

But now, the tables are turned, our racials were nerfed hard, theirs were buffed to hell and back again, and they were all gushing and bragging about how all the major guilds would transfer to alliance.

But guess what? Mythic boss kill world first, still belong to the horde. So..... what's their excuse now?

Because unless the alliance guilds have much better racials why spend money transferring from horde to alliance when it isn't needed.

[Deja Thoris]

Nice trollbait, well played!

[fengosa]

Top tier guilds didn't automatically switch factions because of the racial changes. Your point is kind of moot.

[Neganova]

Didn't Method used to be Alliance?

[Jester Joe]

Top tier guilds didn't automatically switch factions because of the racial changes. Your point is kind of moot.

Yeah, this is possibly the most tryhard thread I've ever seen.

Also I've never seen a single person claim everyone's going to reroll Alliance, but okay.

[drockrock]

Faction loyalty is so 2006.

[Derah]

Top tier guilds didn't automatically switch factions because of the racial changes. Your point is kind of moot.

Ya but "some" people were saying that because alliance racials got stronger, and horde racials got weaker, the world first race would finally swing the alliance way.

But nope, tables turned, and ohhh look, it turns out that racials are NOT a factor in the race. Skill of the players is. And the alliance simply lacks the same number of skilled players as the horde does.

[Jester Joe]

Ya but "some" people were saying that because alliance racials got stronger, and horde racials got weaker, the world first race would finally swing the alliance way.

But nope, tables turned, and ohhh look, it turns out that racials are NOT a factor in the race. Skill of the players is. And the alliance simply lacks the same number of skilled players as the horde does.

What? How does what happen now prove that racials that were different in the past that guilds admittedly transferred to Horde just to get prove that racials aren't a factor? What kind of logic are you using?

[Mirishka]

Ya but "some" people were saying that because alliance racials got stronger, and horde racials got weaker, the world first race would finally swing the alliance way.

But nope, tables turned, and ohhh look, it turns out that racials are NOT a factor in the race. Skill of the players is. And the alliance simply lacks the same number of skilled players as the horde does.

I feel sorry for people who are this hung up on what 'some' people think.

[Chat]

Honestly.. I just saw it as.. who cares less about developing blood clots and killing bosses the fastest.

[Deleted]

Because Berserking and Arcane Torrent are still the best raiding racials?

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Racials most likely played a part but it wasn't the only factor. At this point you are going confirmation bias on us.

[zephid]

But guess what? Mythic boss kill world first, still belong to the horde. So..... what's their excuse now?

Who cares? No sane person actually believed that horde got all those world firsts just because of the racial bonuses.

[threads]

The top alliance guilds all went horde back in Cata and nobody wants to pay all that money just to go back.

[SoulForge]

Who cares? No sane person actually believed that horde got all those world firsts just because of the racial bonuses.

Better yet. Who cares at all?

Why does this come up every raid? Worse than watching frothing sports fans.

Doesn't really affect your playing of the game does it?

[Quetlock]

Leading up to and including MoP, the horde racials were a good 3-4% ahead of alliance racials for almost every DPS spec and class. Add bosses like Thok on to that (which were considered beasts, so Trolls got a flat 5% extra dmg on them). This meant that horde guilds were at a quite significant advantage DPS wise compared to alli guilds, and hence over 2-3 expansions the top guilds gravitated over to horde.

Come WoD, the alli and horde racials are with ~0.5% of each other. This is a difference which is *6 to 8 times less* than the difference that existed in MoP. This means that factors such as trinket rng, ring proc uptime etc. have way more of an effect on raid dps than a racial. Also, if it was just a case of faction changing a raid of 20, maybe the top guilds would have even considered changing. However, these guys typically have 5-6 alt raids so you're looking at around ~$150 per raid member, which not everyone can afford. Further, the top guilds usually have established support guilds that funnel stuff like gold for BMAH items, focus augment runes, flasks, pots, enchants, etc. They may not want to faction change and re-setup all this for 0.5% dps difference.

TLDR : The dps difference is racials is not enough to warrant spending ~$3000 per guild faction changing.