Balance T18 - BiS Progression Discussion

[Laozine]

So we know that DSI is going to be BiS in all cases.
We know that during progression the prism is going to be BIS for Multi target..

Progression:
Single Target: SoC + DSI
Multi Target: DSI + Prism
BIS:
Single Target: SoC + DSI
Multi Target: DSI + ?

Where do we stand for a multi target trinket for BiS?

[vendizritz]

So we know that DSI is going to be BiS in all cases.
We know that during progression the prism is going to be BIS for Multi target..

Progression:
Single Target: SoC + DSI
Multi Target: DSI + Prism
BIS:
Single Target: SoC + DSI
Multi Target: DSI + ?

Where do we stand for a multi target trinket for BiS?

what is this prism trinket you talking about for multi target

[lappee]

Correct, SoC is the worst option for aoe.

I suppose it depends on the magnitude of AoE. If we're checking sims for HecticAddCleave then SoC is by far the best trinket. As long as we have time to use Empowerments in the AoE then SoC is going to be really good, otherwise not so much.

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Can you do a mythic sim of the trinkets aswell?

I'll set them running, though I'm still going to use T18H gear instead of Mythic

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As we can see, SoC dropped abit in comparison to others (for obvious reason)
Also DSI is by far the best trinket

[Deleted]

Did anyone run each trinket separately for HFC? Normal/Heroic/Mythic.

To see the dps gain from each trinket to compare the gain with other classes.

[Klosanfe]

what is this prism trinket you talking about for multi target

I guess the prism is Chipped Soul Prism, from Supreme Lord Kazzak

[Deleted]

I suppose it depends on the magnitude of AoE. If we're checking sims for HecticAddCleave then SoC is by far the best trinket. As long as we have time to use Empowerments in the AoE then SoC is going to be really good, otherwise not so much.

It would be interesting to know how many targets is ideal for SoC, I'd guess 2 target is the best for it, but I wonder if SoC would also be good on 3 target.

[Alame]

From a progression standpoint both DSI and Piston are very early in the instance so DSI/Piston being the best pre-Arch single target combo is very good news.

I wonder how MDSI/HSoC slots in.

[Laozine]

what is this prism trinket you talking about for multi target

Chipped Soul Prism from Doom Lord Kazzak.

[Deleted]

How good will the 715 inscription/alch trinkets be compared to 700 BRF trinkets?

[huth]

As we can see, SoC dropped abit in comparison to others (for obvious reason)
Also DSI is by far the best trinket

Seems we're pretty much set once we have DSI and whatever else we can get... including BRF Mythic trinkets, oddly enough.

Though, why do you have DSI+Iron Reaver and Iron Reaver+DSI as the first two sims? Seems a tad silly.

[Fearsom1992]

So are we going for mastery>haste or mastery>crit, ;-;

[Russia]

mastery>haste for ST

mastery>crit for multi target

Honestly progression wise just grab whatever has the highest ilvl

[Treenutz]

I'm using a Mastery > Crit = Haste > Multi > Vers priority

[Alame]

I'm using a Mastery > Crit = Haste > Multi > Vers priority

Ehhh this is mostly right.


If you want a 1-size-fits-all stat priority, go for:

Mastery > Crit > Haste ~= Multi > Vers

Mastery is the clear cut winner, Crit is a close second. Haste usually beats out Multi but the two are very close and Multi can sometimes outpace haste on heavy cleave fights.

[lappee]

Though, why do you have DSI+Iron Reaver and Iron Reaver+DSI as the first two sims? Seems a tad silly.

Just one oversight on my part as putting every trinket combo there is very copy pasteish I do wonder if one trinket combo is missing due to that silly mistake


For stat priority I'd say going for highest ilvl is the best guideline atm, you can always just sim your own character to see for sure.

[Palmtree]

How is the 715 Sandman's Pouch compared to heroic trinkets ?
Worth the felblight farm ?

[Deleted]

Can anyone post an updated full raid bis list? Anything in the op changed after the simcraft and class updated?

[Tamrik]

i saw in some places that they're putting the Zakuun Cloak without Mastery on the BiS List (over the Kilrogg one)

anything changed this last days? been a bit off.

[Deleted]

ilvl > secondary stats.

[theburned]

ilvl > secondary stats.

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