We need better value early game taunts.

[Simulacrum]

You're never going to have 9 relevant classes because certain class cards are just better than others.

How would fixing those imbalances not solve this problem?

[Solmyr13]

How would fixing those imbalances not solve this problem?

Because certain classes beat hunters easily. Mage has 2 decks that can trounce facehunters and a third that does decently well. This is because their hero power and frostbolt early.

Warrior has weapons and armor so depending on their opening hand can destroy facehunters.

A priest, however, has NO early cards that help it defeat the facehunter. Adding an early game taunt is not going to help this at all because their cards are just "Meh" early anyway. If I added a 2/6 cannot attack taunt for 2 mana the hunter will just kill it with weapons/Kill Command/Quick whatever its called and be done with it. The problem with priest is it has no way of surviving early game and taunts won't fix that either.

[Zethras]

Deathlord is bad against anything but tempo/zoo, but i agree that there could be an early game alternative with a different type of drwaback. maybe that 2/6 taunt that has deathrattle: deal 2 damage to friendly minions or sth.

Unstable ghoul fills that archetype.

[Joycemiester]

There's plenty. Annoy-o-tron, deathlord and even Sen'jin is still really good.

Annoy-o-tron as part of a control deck is below average it trades badly.
Sen'jin is fine but it's four mana. More early game taunts is what this topic is about. Four mana is mid-game.

The current 1,2,3 mana taunts just don't trade well at all. Just a 3/2 for two taunt would require they attack it or use removal/silence.
Then they would have to run more removals or silences for your mid-range late game taunts.

Face decks have run wild due to the issues of early game control for too long. Spells may help but they do nothing for getting you board control.
You remove then your turn is over then they play new minions, sure that can happen if they trade into your taunt but said taunt is good later when it's your only card or two; You can play it on an empty board. Removals on an empty board are worthless.

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Card Name: Huck Funters
Cost: 1
Effect: All minions take damage equal to 10 minus their base mana cost.

<3

If you swap the first two letters of the card name around it spells fuck hunters :P

[Solmyr13]

Annoy-o-tron as part of a control deck is below average it trades badly.
Sen'jin is fine but it's four mana. More early game taunts is what this topic is about. Four mana is mid-game.

The current 1,2,3 mana taunts just don't trade well at all. Just a 3/2 for two taunt would require they attack it or use removal/silence.
Then they would have to run more removals or silences for your mid-range late game taunts.

Face decks have run wild due to the issues of early game control for too long. Spells may help but they do nothing for getting you board control.
You remove then your turn is over then they play new minions, sure that can happen if they trade into your taunt but said taunt is good later when it's your only card or two; You can play it on an empty board. Removals on an empty board are worthless.

So what you want is a minion with good attack and good defense but can't attack. So they'd just owl it and still go face. You're not solving the issue at all. Right now lets say there was a 2/6 can't attack taunt for 2 mana. Turn one is leper gnome; you coind out that taunt. I play abusive and attack the taunt. 2/2 now and it'll die to the sergeant anyway. You're literally killing 2 whole creatures which is what Annoyotron would accomplish as well. If you can't live until turn 4 either your hand was bad or youre deck is bad. Otherwise it's not "less taunts" screwing you it's your deck.

[Reyzzz]

Something like this?

[Frozen Death Knight]

I see people bringing up Deathlord, but let's be honest here, that card is completely niche and can lead to some incredibly frustrating losses by having 7+ Legendaries drop on the next turn because of how it is perfectly possible to dish out 8 damage in early game to kill the Deathlord. I don't see anyone running it in constructed while Sludge Belchers are staple taunt cards because of how there is no true down side to playing it. If you get Deathlord to work in your favour then it is good, but when it can backfire so easily it just isn't reliable to do its job well.

[Solmyr13]

Something like this?

So it's a better voidwalker? No thanks.

[fengosa]

Because certain classes beat hunters easily. Mage has 2 decks that can trounce facehunters and a third that does decently well. This is because their hero power and frostbolt early.

Warrior has weapons and armor so depending on their opening hand can destroy facehunters.

A priest, however, has NO early cards that help it defeat the facehunter. Adding an early game taunt is not going to help this at all because their cards are just "Meh" early anyway. If I added a 2/6 cannot attack taunt for 2 mana the hunter will just kill it with weapons/Kill Command/Quick whatever its called and be done with it. The problem with priest is it has no way of surviving early game and taunts won't fix that either.

That's still 6 damage not going to face. Might buy you a turn or two.

[shammypie]

Because certain classes beat hunters easily. Mage has 2 decks that can trounce facehunters and a third that does decently well. This is because their hero power and frostbolt early.

Warrior has weapons and armor so depending on their opening hand can destroy facehunters.

A priest, however, has NO early cards that help it defeat the facehunter. Adding an early game taunt is not going to help this at all because their cards are just "Meh" early anyway. If I added a 2/6 cannot attack taunt for 2 mana the hunter will just kill it with weapons/Kill Command/Quick whatever its called and be done with it. The problem with priest is it has no way of surviving early game and taunts won't fix that either.

turn 1 zombie chow
turn 2 pain
turn 3 death lord
turn 4 soulpriest plus circle
turn 5+ continue to kill/steal everything they play while healing yourself

[Deleted]

If you swap the first two letters of the card name around it spells fuck hunters :P

Oh really? didn't notice that.

[Solmyr13]

turn 1 zombie chow
turn 2 pain
turn 3 death lord
turn 4 soulpriest plus circle
turn 5+ continue to kill/steal everything they play while healing yourself

Wasn't aware it was that simple to just draw those cards. Two things:

No priest plays Pain because it's a wasted draw vs any other matchup.

Deathlord is probably just going to get silenced.

If you have Soulpriest + Circle then you actually probably win the matchup. GL getting it everytime. If my paladin could draw Consecrate and Sword every single time I played a facehunter I'd win too but I don't assume I will.

[Twoddle]

If you swap the first two letters of the card name around it spells fuck hunters :P

Spoonerisms seem to be the latest Twitch craze.

[Rennadrel]

I'd also consider buffing existing taunt cards. A few more HP wouldn't hurt at all.

I think though then you start giving Priests a pretty powerful deck thanks to their current spell cards like Divine Spirit and Inner Fire, they would be able to pull big combos fairly early, making those minions hard to remove. Priest decks are super slow though, but even giving them taunt minions that survive longer, they still have to get out stronger minions one way or another. Might be the best way to stall Hunters though.

[durrtygoodz]

Spoonerisms seem to be the latest Twitch craze.

Tuck Fwoddle!

[Twoddle]

Tuck Fwoddle!

Yours is slightly funnier, Furrty Duck!

[breadisfunny]

Yeah because games of Hearthstone should last 25 minutes.

games of facestone are so interesting. it's so fun to just throw out minions and rush the face and win over 50% of your games without any thought whatsoever.

[Taalyn]

To be truly effective at early game they would need to have high health and you cannot target them with spells or hero powers.

[McNeil]

I remember making some early taunt cards for certain classes, seem quite balanced to me. Warlock and druids already have great early game taunts.