Demon Hunters will be the new class

[Thage]

strong necromancers can over ride said immunity.

anyway at the time Sylvanas's pet angel things could only rez humans. people become worgen make them not human.

That, too. It got bad enough that the Alliance started using dwarves, night elves, gnomes, worgen, and death knights as the bulk of their forces in the Gilneas campaign to minimize the chances of their troops being raised. Something about how humans descended from vrykul let the val'kyr adapt their necromancy.

[Cooper]

Well, DKs are the Lich King's champions, but he mass-produced the death knights of Acherus because he needed an elite fighting force fast, since he and the Argent Dawn were rapidly approaching their endgame and he needed troops that could survive long enough to distract Tirion and the Brotherhood of the Light. The same principle could be applied to demon hunters--we aren't going to be on the same level as, say, Illidan because he had to cut corners to get as many potential recruits fit for duty as he could. The Legion forces his hand, so he doesn't have the luxury of sifting through hundreds of recruits to find twenty who can become full-fledged demon hunters like him.

Illidan wouldn't give a damn how many recruits died in his training. He didn't care in TBC and he'd probably actually get off on it, because it would make him feel powerful. In HotS when he kills Valla he mocks her by saying "You never would have survived my training."

[Thage]

Illidan wouldn't give a damn how many recruits died in his training. He didn't care in TBC and he'd probably actually get off on it, because it would make him feel powerful. In HotS when he kills Valla he mocks her by saying "You never would have survived my training."

Two things--one, in this scenario, as I mentioned, the Legion has forced his hand. We're talking "He's got maybe a month to find champions of Azeroth willing to undergo the training and get them ready to fight the Legion."

Also, without the Skull of Gul'dan whispering to him, poisoning his thoughts, he might be rerailed to his WC3 personality, where he would very much care if his underlings died. Again, he's trying to stop the Legion here, and taking the quick path (mass-producing weaker demon hunters) would be very much in keeping with WC3 Illidan, who was all about taking the fast path to success. It's not a matter of altruism, it's a matter of pragmatism. If he's got five demon hunters who survive the training, he's screwed, versus sacrificing a little of their strength to have 500 survive the training. Think the difference between the Spartan-IIs and the Spartan-IIIs: they're weaker individually, but learn to operate in teams so numbers offset and overwhelm that loss in individual power.

[Obelisk Kai]

Sometimes people get so wrapped in their desires that they are incapable of standing back and judging the likelihood of those desires being realised dispassionately.

Case in point, the Demon Hunter.

The Demon Hunter was a pretty cool melee class in Warcraft 3 which could burn mana, metamorphose into a Demon, use immolation AND dual wield a wicked nasty pair of glaives to slice people up with.

They weren't added in the original slew of classes Blizzard developed in vanilla because blizzard was more focused on archetypes from classic RPGs rather than their own Hero classes.

They probably reasoned, correctly, that a Warrior would better communicate to a bright eyed noob what he stood for than Mountain King.

That's not to say these hero classes were neglected. The majority of them were utterly dismantled, their abilities spread out amongst the emerging classes.

The Demon Hunter, popular as he was, did not escape this fate.

His core abilities have been fused with the Warlock to the point that many more people have used these abilities while playing Warlocks than the crowd who played Demon Hunters in Warcraft 3 and who pray, day in and day out that this clash would be added to the game.

So let us stand us back. Let us consider.

The simplest reason is the name itself. Demon Hunter. You can disagree, but Demon Hunter is like Arch Mage or Arch Druid or High Priest as class suggestions, that second noun is already used by an existing class and would confuse too many people not au fait with Warcraft lore. Yes, it could be explained to them. But it would forever look odd and class with existing Hunters.

The Demon Hunter is not more special than the Mountain King or the Blood Mage or the Warden classes from Warcraft 3. Like those classes, the Demon Hunter has been dismantled with it's abilities fed into the Warlock class.

The Warlock class is therefore the heir to theme of the Demon Hunter if not the exact feel. After all, ranged caster versus dual wielding powerhouse?

To some people, Metamorphosis is an iconic Demon Hunter ability. In fact, it is THE iconic Demon Hunter ability.

And it has been a Warlock skill for much, much longer than it was a Demon Hunter skill (judging by the length of time Blizzard supports a game by releasing new content). There are many more Warlock players than Demon Hunter fans.

The Warlock also has immolate.

Without Metamorphosis, the Demon Hunter wouldn't be the Demon Hunter the fans want.

But to share it diminished Warlock uniqueness. After all, it's a pretty kick ass cooldown.

To demand such an iconic WARLOCK ability be shared with an entirely separate class is an unfair demand that will never be realised.

The logical solution then is to add Demon Hunter as a fourth spec for Warlocks.

I know it is not what a lot of you want to hear. You will stubbornly cling to the hope that Blizzard creates an entirely new class when they could easily fulfill the long expressed Warlock desire to tank (remember the glyph?) and satisfy MOST Demon Hunter fans by adding a dedicated tanking spec to Warlocks called Demon Hunter.

The Demon Hunter could then use a lot of his iconic abilities, Warlocks get their tanking spec and everyone is more or less happy.

Would a Demon Hunter as a fourth Warlock spec REALLY be so bad rather than as a fully fledged class?

[Cooper]

Two things--one, in this scenario, as I mentioned, the Legion has forced his hand. We're talking "He's got maybe a month to find champions of Azeroth willing to undergo the training and get them ready to fight the Legion."

That's the same scenario he was in in TBC.

Also, without the Skull of Gul'dan whispering to him, poisoning his thoughts, he might be rerailed to his WC3 personality, where he would very much care if his underlings died.

Nah. Illidan never cared about anybody but himself, even before he consumed the Skull. That's partially WHY he consumed the Skull.

Again, he's trying to stop the Legion here, and taking the quick path (mass-producing weaker demon hunters) would be very much in keeping with WC3 Illidan, who was all about taking the fast path to success. It's not a matter of altruism, it's a matter of pragmatism. If he's got five demon hunters who survive the training, he's screwed, versus sacrificing a little of their strength to have 500 survive the training. Think the difference between the Spartan-IIs and the Spartan-IIIs: they're weaker individually, but learn to operate in teams so numbers offset and overwhelm that loss in individual power.

Again, that is exactly what he was trying to do in TBC and he had 1 Blood Elf successfully complete his training, out of 5.

[Larodar]

There will never be a demon hunter CLASS

with the incoming demo revamp for 7.0 *because blizzard doesn't like how it plays*

they will never take meta away as it's to much part of the warlock class now *and two classes with meta would be stupid*

the most likely outcome is Demo gets split into two specs like FERAL DRUIDS DID.

one focused on demon summoning/empowering minions *Demonolgy base don Gul'dan*

The other one Meta/self empowerment *Demon Hunter based on Illidan* AS A TANK SPEC.
*as many warlocks want warlock tanking back*
Illidan also was in a sense a cloth wearer, As he worn only pants and and blindfold, he was a better magic user then ever a physical fighter *in books/lore* maybe not so much in games like HotS

this solves many and all problems, it's easier to *split*make a spec then a new class.
It add demon hunters
It gives warlocks tanking back that was added in Mist *even though it got nerfed at release but was still viable in many situations*
IT MIGHT also solve the lack of tanks problem because everyone and there mother wanting to be a Demon Hunter *although i wouldn't be surprised if they added a talent like Warriors Gladitators resolve*

It also fits lore as KANRETHAD was obessed with Illidans powers and wanted to learn to control them himself *and he was a warlock*. The questline it self also hinted at Illidan being Alive. So it would not be out of reach Illidan returns to train a new set of demon hunters from THE BLACK HARVEST, which does comprise of horde and alliance warlocks, so it is easy to explain why both factions get .

This would also allow to open up Night Elf Warlocks
*maybe even draenei cause we had a expansion full of them and i want to be one of these two*

Your arguments are valid until Blizzard retcons all the lore parts such as; http://www.wowhead.com/npc=7783/loramus-thalipedes , http://wow.gamepedia.com/Quest:Loramus , http://wow.gamepedia.com/Demon_hunte..._and_abilities . For those who never played through the chain of Black Harvest, aka Kanrethad's story; http://wow.gamepedia.com/Kanrethad

[Thage]

That's the same scenario he was in in TBC.

Things are a little more... imminent when he's there in the Nether and the Legion's gearing up for an all-out invasion. I never got the feeling of a full-fledged invasion in Outland.

Nah. Illidan never cared about anybody but himself, even before he consumed the Skull. That's partially WHY he consumed the Skull.

He consumed the Skull for the power to defeat Tichondrius, because he wanted to protect Tyrande. Most of his character arc in WC3 is him going from well-meaning but prone to taking the fast track to power, to realizing he'd lost everything in that pursuit of power with nothing but Gul'dan's whispers to keep him company.

Again, that is exactly what he was trying to do in TBC and he had 1 Blood Elf successfully complete his training, out of 5.

The demon hunters in Outland were given the full treatment, though. Like I mentioned, playable demon hunters would be more akin to the Spartan-III program, where they're not as augmented to maximize chances of success for the sake of having a large group to throw at the Legion. Player demon hunters would be the few who survived being thrown at the Legion, much like how the game treats death knights as a rarity who aren't fully trusted but are put to work because they're effective.

[Cooper]

Things are a little more... imminent when he's there in the Nether and the Legion's gearing up for an all-out invasion. I never got the feeling of a full-fledged invasion in Outland.

In TBC Illidan was living in fear of Kil'Jaeden inevitably coming for him because he failed to destroy the Lich King. That is why he was atetmpting to mass-produce an army of Demon Hunters.

He consumed the Skull for the power to defeat Tichondrius, because he wanted to protect Tyrande.

No. He consumed the Skull for the power. That is the only reason.

"The power should be mine!"

He wouldn't even have gone after it if Arthas hadn't explicitly told him how powerful the Skull was.

Tyrande doesn't even enter into it until after he absorbed the power of the Skull, because then Illidan went after Tichondrius to prove how powerful he was, maybe because he thought it would impress Tyrande. "Protecting" her had nothing to do with it.

His character arc isn't about being well-meaning, it's about how he deludes himself into thinking he's doing things for others when he's really doing them for himself. He recreated the Well of Eternity because he couldn't bear the thought of living without magic; he absorbed the Skull of Gul'dan for the power; he tried to destroy the Lich King to save himself from Kil'Jaeden's wrath (despite the fact that the spell he was using would've caused untold devastation to Azeroth, you know, the world where his precious Tyrande lives. He didn't even think of her then).

[Traveler Voltin]

Sometimes people get so wrapped in their desires that they are incapable of standing back and judging the likelihood of those desires being realised dispassionately.

Case in point, the Demon Hunter.

The Demon Hunter was a pretty cool melee class in Warcraft 3 which could burn mana, metamorphose into a Demon, use immolation AND dual wield a wicked nasty pair of glaives to slice people up with.

They weren't added in the original slew of classes Blizzard developed in vanilla because blizzard was more focused on archetypes from classic RPGs rather than their own Hero classes.

They probably reasoned, correctly, that a Warrior would better communicate to a bright eyed noob what he stood for than Mountain King.

That's not to say these hero classes were neglected. The majority of them were utterly dismantled, their abilities spread out amongst the emerging classes.

The Demon Hunter, popular as he was, did not escape this fate.

His core abilities have been fused with the Warlock to the point that many more people have used these abilities while playing Warlocks than the crowd who played Demon Hunters in Warcraft 3 and who pray, day in and day out that this clash would be added to the game.

So let us stand us back. Let us consider.

The simplest reason is the name itself. Demon Hunter. You can disagree, but Demon Hunter is like Arch Mage or Arch Druid or High Priest as class suggestions, that second noun is already used by an existing class and would confuse too many people not au fait with Warcraft lore. Yes, it could be explained to them. But it would forever look odd and class with existing Hunters.

The Demon Hunter is not more special than the Mountain King or the Blood Mage or the Warden classes from Warcraft 3. Like those classes, the Demon Hunter has been dismantled with it's abilities fed into the Warlock class.

The Warlock class is therefore the heir to theme of the Demon Hunter if not the exact feel. After all, ranged caster versus dual wielding powerhouse?

To some people, Metamorphosis is an iconic Demon Hunter ability. In fact, it is THE iconic Demon Hunter ability.

And it has been a Warlock skill for much, much longer than it was a Demon Hunter skill (judging by the length of time Blizzard supports a game by releasing new content). There are many more Warlock players than Demon Hunter fans.

The Warlock also has immolate.

Without Metamorphosis, the Demon Hunter wouldn't be the Demon Hunter the fans want.

But to share it diminished Warlock uniqueness. After all, it's a pretty kick ass cooldown.

To demand such an iconic WARLOCK ability be shared with an entirely separate class is an unfair demand that will never be realised.

The logical solution then is to add Demon Hunter as a fourth spec for Warlocks.

I know it is not what a lot of you want to hear. You will stubbornly cling to the hope that Blizzard creates an entirely new class when they could easily fulfill the long expressed Warlock desire to tank (remember the glyph?) and satisfy MOST Demon Hunter fans by adding a dedicated tanking spec to Warlocks called Demon Hunter.

The Demon Hunter could then use a lot of his iconic abilities, Warlocks get their tanking spec and everyone is more or less happy.

Would a Demon Hunter as a fourth Warlock spec REALLY be so bad rather than as a fully fledged class?

fuck no. stop insulting demon hunters.
Meta was iconic to DH long before warlocks. warlocks STOLE meta from them.

[Obelisk Kai]

fuck no. stop insulting demon hunters.
Meta was iconic to DH long before warlocks. warlocks STOLE meta from them.

Sorry dude but that is like saying warriors stole Avatar from Mountain Kings.

The Demon Hunter has been deconstructed.

Warlock fourth spec is the only feasible way of salvaging it in a recognisable form.

[Talen]

fuck no. stop insulting demon hunters.
Meta was iconic to DH long before warlocks. warlocks STOLE meta from them.

And Warlocks have it NOW.

And there are far more Warlock players than there are DH players in WOW.

EJL

[Traveler Voltin]

And Warlocks have it NOW.

And there are far more Warlock players than there are DH players in WOW.

EJL

*facepalm*
i am not even

[Gourmandise]

*facepalm*
i am not even

Don't start with this guy.

OT: Now, I don't know if we'll get demon hunters but I think it would be cool. Illidan hype is as strong as Arthas hype.

[Thimagryn]

And Warlocks have it NOW.

And there are far more Warlock players than there are DH players in WOW.

EJL

You started playing a Warlock yet?

[Jessicka]

And Warlocks have it NOW.

And there are far more Warlock players than there are DH players in WOW.

EJL

No, Warlocks did literally steal it from Demon Hunters. That is canon, and in game.

[Leyre]

If Blizzard take Meta away from Warlocks, they really will be showing they don't care.

Meta is an iconic Warlock ability and at this stage, is one that cannot be shared or removed. It isn't a DH ability - it's a Warlock ability. Even if it were to be removed from Warlocks, Blizzard couldn't give it to another class.

If we accept the leaks as true....AND the interpretations....we are getting a new class with 3 DPS specs. That rules out the Shadowstalker idea (has a healing spec) AND the Illidan style DH (strong tanking identity). It's probably unwise to have three DPS specs as it is inherently less flexible, but there's nothing against it either.

Again, dealing with the various leaks - if true and the interpretations correct - there are hints referring to Valla, a Gladiator like spec and the illdian style DH. These could refer to 4th specs being added for a number of classes.

Truth is, we don't really know.

EJL

the silence was a iconic part of deadly throw, blizz didnt give a fuck when they removed it

[MxLionheart]

Then why not just link the imgur:



I think that's just fan service :P

Wyatt Cheng is part of the Diablo team, think its just a reference to him.

[Cooper]

Wyatt Cheng is part of the Diablo team, think its just a reference to him.

Nah, it's just Blizzard poking fun at how many players want a Demon Hunter class and got Monk instead. They do the same thing in HotS when Illidan says "What do you mean they added Monks before Demon Hunters? Monks aren't even a real hero class!"

[Belisaurio]

The logical solution then is to add Demon Hunter as a fourth spec for Warlocks.

So, your "main" solution is creating 4th spec for all classes? Just make a brainstorming, and if you work enough, you will have alot new answers to create a DH class. And I'm saying this because in 1 minute, I can go with 4 or 5 new ideas for a DH, so imagine what can people do if they get paid for doing that, and are experts doing such things...


Btw, I like the 4th spec option, but I prefer the DH class: melee-fighter using agility and demon powers, in other words, a warrior+rogue using some warlock/demon magic.

[TheramoreIsTheBomb]

Then why not just link the imgur:



I think that's just fan service :P

Suddenly this makes sense
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...ncil+of+Glades