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    Quote Originally Posted by Jotaux View Post
    We are just saying Rickon the character should have zig zagged, but he is too stupid to do it and died because of that.
    I thought he died from an arrow thru the heart?
    All right, gentleperchildren, let's review. The year is 2024 - that's two-zero-two-four, as in the 21st Century's perfect vision - and I am sorry to say the world has become a pussy-whipped, Brady Bunch version of itself, run by a bunch of still-masked clots ridden infertile senile sissies who want the Last Ukrainian to die so they can get on with the War on China, with some middle-eastern genocide on the side

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    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    But this universe has set itself up as a realistic, brutal place, where things don't live up to heroic expectations.
    Ofc a world with drakes and magic is very realistic.....some people cant get it into their had that a fantasy show is just a fantasy show....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fummockelchen View Post
    Ofc a world with drakes and magic is very realistic.....some people cant get it into their had that a fantasy show is just a fantasy show....
    Oh look, that strawman again. There's a realism inside fantasy worlds relative to that world. As far as we can tell, physics in Westeros works like physics in our world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fummockelchen View Post
    Ofc a world with drakes and magic is very realistic.....some people cant get it into their had that a fantasy show is just a fantasy show....
    Whoosh.
    As Esch has previous said, a show sets it's own realism in the sense of their world. It's their job to be consistent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elim Garak View Post
    I thought he died from an arrow thru the heart?
    Which could have been avoided by zig zagging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jotaux View Post
    Which could have been avoided by zig zagging.
    Yeah, he would have taken one by the volley Ramsay would have launched at him
    Stupid discussion is stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    Oh look, that strawman again. There's a realism inside fantasy worlds relative to that world. As far as we can tell, physics in Westeros works like physics in our world.
    Not only that...but the show and books both started out with minimal fantasy elements. A lot of the early core stories surrounded grit, meaningful character development and realistic consequences. Unfortunately the later seasons have moved away from that in many cases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by feangren View Post
    Yeah, he would have taken one by the volley Ramsay would have launched at him
    Stupid discussion is stupid.
    Of course he would've, the point never was whetever he'd get alive out of the situation or not. It always was about how fucking retarded the execution of the matter was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
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    How is Rickon's beeline for safety NOT realistic?

    He's a child that's never been in a situation like this before, hell he knew no conflict at all since realm's been at peace since before he was born.
    He knows nothing of Ramsay's prowess with bow (neither does Jon for that matter).
    His older brother, whom he always felt safe with, is running towards him, he's got the choice of either zigzagging or reaching Jon asap.
    Add adrenaline into the mix, and top it off with Ramsay's feints, from his POV he has a good chance to reach Jon unharmed if he gives it his all to run.

    Jon surviving volley after volley is unrealistic, Rickon's decision is not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by feangren View Post
    Yeah, he would have taken one by the volley Ramsay would have launched at him
    Stupid discussion is stupid.
    Then why run at all?

    You have to do what you can to survive as it comes. Zig zagging would have prevented Ramsay from killing him with his arrows. By forcing Ramsay to unleash a volley of arrows you would call into question his own marksmanship in front of his army. He would look foolish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jotaux View Post
    Which could have been avoided by zig zagging.
    Wrong. Zigzagging was useless in his situation as he was too far away from Ramsey for it to have any effect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jotaux View Post
    Then why run at all?
    To live a bit longer and have a bit higher chance of not dying as compared to not run at all and die right there with a 100% certainty.

    And yet it's Rickon who was stupid...
    All right, gentleperchildren, let's review. The year is 2024 - that's two-zero-two-four, as in the 21st Century's perfect vision - and I am sorry to say the world has become a pussy-whipped, Brady Bunch version of itself, run by a bunch of still-masked clots ridden infertile senile sissies who want the Last Ukrainian to die so they can get on with the War on China, with some middle-eastern genocide on the side

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jotaux View Post
    Then why run at all?

    You have to do what you can to survive as it comes. Zig zagging would have prevented Ramsay from killing him with his arrows. By forcing Ramsay to unleash a volley of arrows you would call into question his own marksmanship in front of his army. He would look foolish.
    Why would a 12 year old kid who has been kept captive for we don't even know how long behave strategically with the kind of knowledge and foresight that you'd expect from a battle-hardened warrior? Hell, Jon's reaction was dumb for a supposed warrior and commander, so why are people focusing on how a scared kid ran?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilderness View Post
    Why would a 12 year old kid who has been kept captive for we don't even know how long behave strategically with the kind of knowledge and foresight that you'd expect from a battle-hardened warrior? Hell, Jon's reaction was dumb for a supposed warrior and commander, so why are people focusing on how a scared kid ran?
    To be honest, Jon never lead an army in an open field battle. He doesn't have much experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elim Garak View Post
    Wrong. Zigzagging was useless in his situation as he was too far away from Ramsey for it to have any effect.
    The point of zig zagging is to keep from being predictable, the more predictable you are the easier it is to shoot you with an arrow from afar.

    I don't know why you have to resort to insults just because you are wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilderness View Post
    Why would a 12 year old kid who has been kept captive for we don't even know how long behave strategically with the kind of knowledge and foresight that you'd expect from a battle-hardened warrior? Hell, Jon's reaction was dumb for a supposed warrior and commander, so why are people focusing on how a scared kid ran?
    Because when watching you know the way to survive would be a zig zag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jotaux View Post
    The point of zig zagging is to keep from being predictable, the more predictable you are the easier it is to shoot you with an arrow from afar.
    Bollocks.

    Zigzagging only works at short range. And there's nothing unpredictable about it. Once you went right you will have to go left next time and as soon as you start moving left a precise shot can be made.
    All right, gentleperchildren, let's review. The year is 2024 - that's two-zero-two-four, as in the 21st Century's perfect vision - and I am sorry to say the world has become a pussy-whipped, Brady Bunch version of itself, run by a bunch of still-masked clots ridden infertile senile sissies who want the Last Ukrainian to die so they can get on with the War on China, with some middle-eastern genocide on the side

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elim Garak View Post
    Bollocks.

    Zigzagging only works at short range. And there's nothing unpredictable about it. Once you went right you will have to go left next time and as soon as you start moving left a precise shot can be made.
    Unless you're a doofus and simply look behind and move left at the moment of arrow's release. Or keep going further right. Running straight is retarded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilian View Post
    Unless you're a doofus and simply look behind and move left at the moment of arrow's release. Or keep going further right. Running straight is retarded.
    The arrow will be released when you are not looking, duh. And no you cannot look back and run forward all the time. You can try of course but you won't see shit.

    Zigzagging slows you down (not to mention looking back). The best chance of survival for Rickon was to run straight as fast as he can to Jon and he almost made it, but Ramsey was too good of a shot.
    All right, gentleperchildren, let's review. The year is 2024 - that's two-zero-two-four, as in the 21st Century's perfect vision - and I am sorry to say the world has become a pussy-whipped, Brady Bunch version of itself, run by a bunch of still-masked clots ridden infertile senile sissies who want the Last Ukrainian to die so they can get on with the War on China, with some middle-eastern genocide on the side

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilian View Post
    Unless you're a doofus and simply look behind and move left at the moment of arrow's release. Or keep going further right. Running straight is retarded.
    People who are in a panic and threatended by death tend to do retarded things so for me Rickon's behaviour is in the range of probability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belial-sama View Post
    How is Rickon's beeline for safety NOT realistic?

    He's a child that's never been in a situation like this before, hell he knew no conflict at all since realm's been at peace since before he was born.
    He knows nothing of Ramsay's prowess with bow (neither does Jon for that matter).
    His older brother, whom he always felt safe with, is running towards him, he's got the choice of either zigzagging or reaching Jon asap.
    Add adrenaline into the mix, and top it off with Ramsay's feints, from his POV he has a good chance to reach Jon unharmed if he gives it his all to run.

    Jon surviving volley after volley is unrealistic, Rickon's decision is not.
    You're using way too much logic. Stop that please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bovinity Divinity View Post
    I'm pretty sure that none of us are suggesting that it would have been "better writing" if he tried to dodge, or even that it would have been in-character for him to do so.

    When I say it, it's basically just on the same level as telling the girl in the horror movie not to open that door. I don't really expect her to hear me, or for the writers to say, "Oh, you're right, she shouldn't open that door! Lets write that in."
    Have you even read the last few pages? o.O People basically complain how its bad writing, how the show has degradeted and its one of the proofs, how its not realistic etc.

    To take your comparison to the movie... its as if you just went all the way to the screen and shouted to all the people in here how the girl is dumb and retarded, interrupting the movie... you have a different opinion? thats fine. dont drag it all the way through 20 pages tho...

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