Why is Antifa not banned yet??

[Zython]

Only fascists are the "antifa" dipshits. they need to go back and re-read the history books.

Yeah, I remember how the people who fought the Nazis were the REAL Nazis the whole time. That was some M. Night Shyamalan shit right there.

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That was the answer.
There is a reason the state is not allowed to use force for political ends, by definition, in a democracy.

Ok. So a democracy shouldn't have a military or police force?

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Helpful hint, AFA defines everyone to the right of Stalin as a fascist.

Maybe people think you're a Nazi for a reason? Maybe your core political beliefs intersect with theirs more than you'd like to admit?

[VarsityAthlete]

What is going to happen on March 15th?

Because on the 16th something will begin, namely the negotiations between VVD, CDA, D66 and GL to run our country for the next four years.

Why are you bringing up shit about the Netherlands like it has anything to do with America, you cuckold?

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Ok. So a democracy shouldn't have a military or police force?

No, the answer is that the police should not be used for political purposes.

Maybe people think you're a Nazi for a reason? Maybe your core political beliefs intersect with theirs more than you'd like to admit?

Social democracy is objectively the moderate wing of fascism....
Joseph Stalin.

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Nazi is quite literally an abbreviation for national socialist.

Nationalsozialist

What am i If i'm a socialist that rejects the unitary world Utopia with a classless society, and instead wants to work withing the confines of the nation state?
Maybe i'm a 'national socialist'?

[Zython]

No, the answer is that the police should not be used for political purposes.

Got some bad news about the function of the police...

[Milchshake]

When we're not busy standing up to Nazi's, Antifa also makes common cause with our friends in the LBGT community during their Pride Marches. For some reasons Nazis like to harass these groups, along with refugee and immigrant groups marches.

In additions to black blocs, people will organize pink blocs, and the new pastel blocs.

There's rumors of Pony Blocs, I haven't seen one personally, but they sound ironic and fun.


How do you ban My Little Pony?

[Ealyssa]

nazi is not the abbreviation of national socialism....

Like... just... WTF...

I'm reeaaaaaaallly tempted of using this as my new signature

EDIT : actually done, thank you

[Sama-81]

Like... just... WTF...

I'm reeaaaaaaallly tempted of using this as my new signature

EDIT : actually done, thank you

Well, if one is to be a stickler, the term "nazi" was in fact in use before the NSDAP (and thus, nazism) was even a thing, and had nothing to do with politics. Once the party was established, it eventually got attached to that instead (was a derogatory term, so was rather suitable I suppose) since it was so easy to apply to the word "Nationalsozialist". So, technically, it never was an actual abbreviation.

Also, if we continue even further down the 'being a stickler-road', the term even then wasn't an abbreviation for national socialism as such, but rather for the actual german nazi party and it's members - ie, if you believed in national socialism as an ideology but didn't like or wasn't a member of the party itself, you weren't really a nazi. Which means basically all foreign adherents, to start with.

Obviously, all that is rather irrelevant at this point, and the current usage certainly aligns with yours. If we are being purely technical however, he is being quite correct.

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Got some bad news about the function of the police...

I'm sorry you live in an authoritarian police state, i really am

[Deleted]

If you weren't part of the problem I would. Unless you keep each other in check, which I haven't seen any evidence of. So far the only results I have seen come from contacting the webmaster.

If you approve my moderator application. I'd be happy to be the only "conservative" on your team and provide a little bit of balance you so desperately need.

haha

good luck with that

[DesMephisto]

Opinion on anything. Defending yourself against an idea should never involve violence. Defending yourself against the adherents of a certain idea that want to inflict violence on you, is something else. Then, you can defend yourself by all means neccessary.



No. People following those ideas can topple an empire. Ideas themselves can do nothing.



No, it's the people following certain ideas that can be dangerous, never the idea itself. Ideas are to be discussed. You don't get to burn someone at stake just because they believe there is life on other planets. Or do you?

Not true. A simple idea can perforate the mind and leave followers uncertain. It starts with an idea. All it takes.

[Ravenblade]

No, antifa is an abbreviation for anti fascists.

At the end they are left wing fanatics. And not anti fascists.

Call them what they are. Actually, its in the main interest of the right wing propaganda to declare every anti fascist movement violent.

Edit: And the arab people dont call them IS or ISIS but Dawlat al-Islamiyah f'al-Iraq wa al-Sham, with the abbrevation 'Da´esh'.

Actually it is not the same. Antifa is a leftwing phenomenon which in the late 1920 were the answer to brownshirts who dominated streets with violence and also self-invited them to homes of random people in order to terrorize them. This is where the violent vein of the Antifa actually also comes from. In the 1980s they became popular again together with various punk movements. Who doesn't remember the Hanover Chaos Days? However since the reunification they met sharp opposition from well-trained neofascist/-nazi forces from East Germany who would readily trade fists. Openly exercising violence in broad daylight for political reasons was a thing in the 90s.

However you could say since the turn of the millennium things changed a little. September 11, the rise of globalism, the old generation getting a little bit too old and tired for street brawls there was a more open split between those who desired a more constructive and peaceful, a less anti-anything approach, a cooperation with government institutions rather than the other group which decided to stay with the old ways and who do favour a lot more militant approach also called Autonomous (Antifa) Groups which operate as the names says, autonomously, in cells with anarchist outfit, often expressing hate for the state, its institutions and of course anything who cooperates with it as well as their Old Enemy, the far right. But they are not the Antifa since they have strayed off into destructive domains.

From a German perspective this modern Antifa be peculiar indeed as someone is puzzled as if they are looking into the past but what people see as Antifa here do have the classic fingerprint of Autonomous groups which are the militant chapter, kind of like a Vulcans vs. Romulans.

If someone sees himself as antifascist today, and any staunch democrat should be an antifascist they are most likely enjoying with the "deviously leftist" political and peaceful Antifa of today.

Of course there's always groups which act between both worlds but they are few and between, just like on the right fringe where you have Kameradschaften which are not particularly affiliated with any major network.

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Nazi is quite literally an abbreviation for national socialist.

Nationalsozialist

Well, it as supposed to be an acronym for nationalsocialists (without whitespace) but is actually a term whose origins are unclear, Kurt Tucholsky for instance used the term as well back then in the 1930 (example for this is his poem "Deutschland erwache!"). Where it really came is not clear, what is clear is that both are synonymous. It was mostly just invented because Nationalsozialisten was a bit long and non-German speakers are unaware about that the "t" in "National..." is pronounced "ts" or "tz" similarly to the German "z".

[Barnabas]

Antifa are basically bolsheviks and they will ultimately turn on the sideline supporters if they ever were to get into power. The cheerleaders on the left are best to dissolve association. It's the ugly face of socialism.

[Ravenblade]

Antifa are basically bolsheviks and they will ultimately turn on the sideline supporters if they ever were to get into power. The cheerleaders on the left are best to dissolve association. It's the ugly face of socialism.

No, they are not but this has been discussed already. Not sure why people think it sounds clever to "blame socialism" whenever.

[Sting]

Scum of the earth. Punching communists, now that's a real american tradition. I suggest you get to it.

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Hopefully they cave the Nazi OP's head in when he goes marching.

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[Astalnar]

Not true. A simple idea can perforate the mind and leave followers uncertain. It starts with an idea. All it takes.

So you're saying an idea can stab a person? Beat someone up? Burn them at stake?

Ideas themselves can do nothing. They are not alive, they have no agency of their own. If that is something you are not able to understand, then we have no need for further discussion on this topic.

The problem with your supposition is that with that reasoning, you can justify punching anyone who disagrees with you, even if he means you no harm, on the mere basis that you find his ideas dangerous.

[primalmatter]

Like... just... WTF...

I'm reeaaaaaaallly tempted of using this as my new signature

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... nazi is the abbreviation of the German national socialist party...

Why would the nazis make there acronym in english... its like you want to parade your ignorance...

[Ravenblade]

... nazi is the abbreviation of the German national socialist party...

No, it is not, it has been in use far longer than that albeit with less negative connotation. It was commonly used for nationalists especially national socialists - which as an idea existed far longer however in a much moderate form and not even close to what it became later. Its been negatively charged when nationalist extremists of different schools started gaining influence especially NSDAP followers. The NSDAP was not the first party to carry the letters "NS" in it, in fact that part was added as prefix after the original DAP - a tiny wingnut party enjoying 1% ratings - was hijacked and its original members and leaders driven out.

[JohnBrown1917]

Scum of the earth. Punching communists, now that's a real american tradition. I suggest you get to it.

>Punching nazis is wrong!
>So punch commies instead for wanting a different economic system.


I like your logic.

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Hopefully they cave the Nazi OP's head in when he goes marching.

The last time we had a Dutch nazi party, its leader was arrest and executed by firing sqaud in '45/46.

[Wildtree]

No, it is not, it has been in use far longer than that albeit with less negative connotation. It was commonly used for nationalists especially national socialists - which as an idea existed far longer however in a much moderate form and not even close to what it became later. Its been negatively charged when nationalist extremists of different schools started gaining influence especially NSDAP followers. The NSDAP was not the first party to carry the letters "NS" in it, in fact that part was added as prefix after the original DAP - a tiny wingnut party enjoying 1% ratings - was hijacked and its original members and leaders driven out.

Nazi...
Nationalsozialist, as counter abbreviation to Sozi (Social Democrat), which is the term even longer in use than Nazi. So much to the political aspect.

The term Nazi however predates political use. It was - rooting in Bavarian dialect - long before that used as an acronym for an idiot, a simpleton.
Which, in a sense, is still basically valid then. Because Nazis are stupid fucks lol