New hero - Orisa

[Tenjen]

Hopefully Blizz listens. they got a good char here and she needs some adjustments.

[Jessicka]

[Anzaman]

*image*

Tank meta was so fun that we absolutely had to go back.

[zito]

Ana just sitting there like 'wut bitch"

[Endus]

A few people, others have compared her to the Ultralisk.

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Anyhow, I had a play around on PTR yesterday, and these were my thoughts:

I played a fair bit of PTR yesterday, and this is what I noticed. She's no alternative to Reinhardt, she's much more like Zarya; and that shouldn't really be a shocker given the similarity in their kits. I had hope for an alternative to Rein, as I've grown pretty bored of him, but that's not what I found there.

Start with the positives:
Throwing out shields to protect the back line, really good. Especially for snipers to sit behind and take careful shots with absolute impunity. <3

Using Halt to prevent injured players escaping, also good.

Supercharger for clutch defence or big push, nice.

I'm now kind of struggling from here.

The not so good:
You can throw out a shield ahead of you to advance your position, but it's like the ultimate telegraph of intention; everyone is going to move to get above or flank it, or even destroy it before you even get to it.

It's slow, step by step movement. There's a lot of heroes in the roster that can't work with that where they rely on their mobility to survive. Those heroes are the same ones on the opposing team who are just going to get behind or above it, and flatten you; and you have zero responsiveness to do anything about it for your team, although you can pop Fortify for yourself.

She's massive, and has a massive head. I enjoyed getting headshots all day on her, I'm not convinced the opposite player had the same level of enjoyment. She's so squishy in fact that you don't even need to half charge your second shot to finish her as Widow. 400HP seems way too low for her.

Her slow while firing even limits her options when in close quarters, since she can't duck behind her own barrier like Winston would. All she has is Fortify, but because of her size, nothing misses and it's not enough.

Even turtling on a point, her barrier is fixed, it's not rocket science to get around it.

My conclusion:
She's basically too slow and unreflexive to work as an 'Anchor' to really protect her team. Attacking with her as the 'main' tank is like attacking with the handbreak on, which is just no good. Defending with her is not much better, as she's so easily out manoeuvred. She just can't 'be' the front line.

I spend an awful lot of time on D.Va, and I'll be the first to admit that she is not nearly as good an anchor as Reinhardt, but her reflexiveness and mobility allow her to do that job, at least as a clutch measure; and that is down to both DM and Shield Barrier being an immediate 'right click' and moveable. So if there is a need for a new anchor tank (and there probably is) that is where you need to build from.

I think there is a place for an alternative to Zarya, and Orisa fills this well, or would do with an extra 100HP, but she is no alternative to Reinhardt.

She needs more health/armor, IMO. I disagree that she needs to be "faster"; Rein is slow as balls, outside of his Charge, which is usually used for an aggressive push or a short-range murder-hug. The entire concept of an "anchor tank" is that the team orients themselves around that tank, not that they push ahead of the tank and the tank gets left behind. With more personal health, she'd have better personal sustain, and wouldn't need the shield for personal defense nearly as much (which she's kind of pushed into, now, which diminishes its utility).

Another 100 health or armor would probably go a long way, putting her in the same league as Reinhardt.

[Keile]

She needs more health/armor, IMO. I disagree that she needs to be "faster"; Rein is slow as balls, outside of his Charge, which is usually used for an aggressive push or a short-range murder-hug. The entire concept of an "anchor tank" is that the team orients themselves around that tank, not that they push ahead of the tank and the tank gets left behind. With more personal health, she'd have better personal sustain, and wouldn't need the shield for personal defense nearly as much (which she's kind of pushed into, now, which diminishes its utility).

Another 100 health or armor would probably go a long way, putting her in the same league as Reinhardt.

I, personally, like the idea that Tyrodin had for the hero: Allow her to redeploy her shield (maintaining it's current health) for the duration of it.

So as long as the shield is not broken, she should be able to redeploy it at another location (while keeping the current health it has) allowing her to more easily fill the "anchor" tank role that Blizzard wants her to be.

Right now the reason why Reinhardt will always be the anchor tank is due to the reliability of his shield. You know where it'll be, because he IS the shield. With Orisa, you make a mistake and suddenly your shield is on CD, Rein can just right click to his hearts content. This would also allow Orisa to more reliably protect her team from ultimates like a D.va self-destruct. Currently so long as Reinhardt doesn't break his shield (and a good Rein should never let his shield hit 0...) he can fully block any ultimate. Even if it only has 1hp left, a well timed right click will save the day. With Orisas shield....that wont be the case. It has a CD, and a rather lengthy one if that shield isn't in the proper spot.

So yeah...that one little tweak would probably make her a completely viable alternative to Reinhardt without having her replace him.

[Eapoe]

Not criticizing people's personal feedback, but I do hope you are putting it on official forums and feedback forums specifically for the PTR. Blizzard did release a statement at one point saying the reason Bastion went thru the way he did was because of lack of feedback. A lot of people play on the PTR, but a very small percent actually post about it and any bugs/issues they experience.
We see so many people talk about how Blizzard doesn't listen to feedback, but also remember, 10 people posting their experiences (while thousands might read it and agree) is probably something like .1% of the people who actually played the PTR.
MAke your voices heard.

[Plutarch78]

Overwatch gets more heroes than d3 in its entire life span in less than a year

Rip diablo

I know its sad.

[Ealyssa]

Overwatch gets more heroes than d3 in its entire life span in less than a year

Rip diablo

Overwatch sells lootboxes like cakes ! I really hope the necro pack will be a success that can turn into a new source of income for diablo.

[DeadmanWalking]

Not criticizing people's personal feedback, but I do hope you are putting it on official forums and feedback forums specifically for the PTR. Blizzard did release a statement at one point saying the reason Bastion went thru the way he did was because of lack of feedback. A lot of people play on the PTR, but a very small percent actually post about it and any bugs/issues they experience.
We see so many people talk about how Blizzard doesn't listen to feedback, but also remember, 10 people posting their experiences (while thousands might read it and agree) is probably something like .1% of the people who actually played the PTR.
MAke your voices heard.

I tend to find the official forum is a tornado of idiots and an earthquake of trolls. You make a legit post to improve the game like leaving the name of the random arcade game up longer so you can tell the difference between random heroes, mayhem and mobawatch and a second later it is buried on page 7 behind 10,000 "OMG I play X and Y counters X so nerf X!" Posts.

[Endus]

Not criticizing people's personal feedback, but I do hope you are putting it on official forums and feedback forums specifically for the PTR. Blizzard did release a statement at one point saying the reason Bastion went thru the way he did was because of lack of feedback. A lot of people play on the PTR, but a very small percent actually post about it and any bugs/issues they experience.
We see so many people talk about how Blizzard doesn't listen to feedback, but also remember, 10 people posting their experiences (while thousands might read it and agree) is probably something like .1% of the people who actually played the PTR.
MAke your voices heard.

What I'd like to see is either having experience shared between the PTR and the live game. We've got custom matches on live now, so people are able to do shenanigans anyway, and if you shared XP between the two, you'd incentivize more people to play on the PTR; testing Orisa right now wouldn't be without rewards.

I *would* turn off the bonus lootboxes from brawls, on the PTR, so there isn't two sets of those you can farm. And lootboxes opened and coins spent on the PTR wouldn't carry over to live, so you could still use those for testing purposes without hurting your main account. We're just talking about the base XP for playing matches, so playing matches on the PTR is just as rewarding as playing on live.

I actively avoid the PTR outside of a couple matches now and then to personally test something, and that's just to get a personal feel, not test it against opponents. I played 4 or 5 matches with the Bastion changes, and I've played 2 or 3 with Orisa, and I probably won't go back to the PTR. I would, if my XP gains were carried over, and I'd feel more able to give proper feedback with more testing done.

Same was true of the WoW PTR, but it had a bigger community, and progression raiders looking for World/Server Firsts had to be on the PTR to practice, so they got plenty of action there. Overwatch just doesn't have that same drive, which is why they're not getting feedback; playing on the PTR is disincentivized.

[Jessicka]

Not criticizing people's personal feedback, but I do hope you are putting it on official forums and feedback forums specifically for the PTR. Blizzard did release a statement at one point saying the reason Bastion went thru the way he did was because of lack of feedback. A lot of people play on the PTR, but a very small percent actually post about it and any bugs/issues they experience.
We see so many people talk about how Blizzard doesn't listen to feedback, but also remember, 10 people posting their experiences (while thousands might read it and agree) is probably something like .1% of the people who actually played the PTR.
MAke your voices heard.

Did post it in a couple of threads, but as has been noted those sorts of threads get lost very quickly, especially over the weekend when moderation is non existent.

Seems a lot of people are echoing the same thoughts though. She's not a great anchor but supplements Reinhardt and Zarya so well that it's hard to know where to buff her. 100 HP wouldn't be game breaking any more than her existence is, and she will need it when people aren't using Rein.

[Pendulous]

I tend to find the official forum is a tornado of idiots and an earthquake of trolls. You make a legit post to improve the game like leaving the name of the random arcade game up longer so you can tell the difference between random heroes, mayhem and mobawatch and a second later it is buried on page 7 behind 10,000 "OMG I play X and Y counters X so nerf X!" Posts.

You're better off posting on Reddit for legitimate feedback. Blizzard may not be there often, but really, do they ever show that they're actually reading teh forums and legitimate complaints? Nope.

[Zoetak]

Ugly or not, I'm pumped for a new Tank =)

[Jessicka]

Ugly or not, I'm pumped for a new Tank =)

She has a 'Twilight' skin, in Twilight Sparkle colours. Oh yes.

[derpkitteh]

how is she ugly? she's adorable.

[Zatachi]

She has a 'Twilight' skin, in Twilight Sparkle colours. Oh yes.

Blizz = Bronies confirmed!

I think i got my color scheme, till a glowy blue one comes.

[CatsNeverDie]

thats one ugly looking character.

Well I suppose it does look like a kid did make and recycle it :P

Just what I was thinking.

[Pendulous]

Blizz = Bronies confirmed!

Not the first reference they made. I think it was a Pandaren in WoW named Pink Peony that was an obvious reference to Pinkie Pie. Eh, everybody does it.

In any case, patch goes live in a few days, can't wait to actually try her out.

[Zatachi]

Not the first reference they made. I think it was a Pandaren in WoW named Pink Peony that was an obvious reference to Pinkie Pie. Eh, everybody does it.

In any case, patch goes live in a few days, can't wait to actually try her out.

Have to search this one up. Pinkie Pie is allways worth it just for the LOLs.

This is the fun thing about Blizz Games, the references. Even after years and years of playing you missed at least 50.


Bummer, didnt sell a ChimmyCherry...or CherryChanga....or ChimmyCherryChanga.....what do you think sounds best?


Also, cant wait to test Orisa, even when in the first week all games are 6 v 6 Orisa.....