That's because Robert Picardo is FUCKING AMAZING. And frankly, the hologram had more character development than arguably anyone else in the series.
Frankly, the whole "Mirror Universe" thing is the most hilarious shit Star Trek has ever done. It doesn't matter if it's Mirror Universe DS9 where Kira likes leather a little too much, or if it's Mirror TOS where everyone has goatees, or Mirror Enterprise where all the girls wear "cutout" uniforms. It's all just dumb on it's face but holy shit it's also hilarious. Toshi, Empress of Earth, oh yeah! lawl
Human progress isn't measured by industry. It's measured by the value you place on a life.
Just, be kind.
The first one is a representational image formed from what the minds of the away team though he looked liked, the away team had always dealt with smooth headed Klingons so thus he is smooth headed in TOS.
The second is his clone made from ancient DNA showing what he, and what pre virus klingons, actually looked like.
No, it's pointless since relatives only matter when they are a part of the current story. They just appear out of thin air, as there are many examples especially in Star Trek. Just because he isn't mentioned yet does not mean he does not exist, and even that would require him to be the older brother since in the new timeline the mother obviously died before she could have conceived him.
Well, that's something I clearly disagree. If you seriously think this bridge
looks more advanded than this bridge
there is not much to discuss left.
An alien that exists for "sensing the coming of death"... Come the fuck on that's retarded.
Really disappointed by a lot of stuff in that trailer.
First impression: it looks sharp and crisp. Gotta love how good TV shows can look visually nowadays
My issue with the series in general is that I want to continue in the TNG, DS9 and Voyager universe.
You know, with the same style ships, uniforms, stories etc.
Tired of these "let's go even further back before those years" settings.
That's a cop-out. "It's all fiction so some details don't matter."
What looks more advanced to you:
This...
or this?
You see, if you're just looking at the number of buttons and blinking lights, you're missing the big picture. The TOS bridge design has far fewer of these... just like the more advanced iPhone has one button on its face rather than the clunky old Blackberry 9870 with its myriad of buttons. The NX-01's bridge looks like it was built by Blackberry. The TOS Bridge, in terms of the overall design, is much simpler... the way an iPhone is simpler in design than said Blackberry... yet the iPhone can do much more than the Blackberry. This is one reason why the audience bought that the USS Defiant (from "In A Mirrory, Darkly") was more advanced than the NX-01 Enterprise/Avenger, beyond simple performance. Also, it's worth noting that the Andorian ships in ST: ENT, which were all more advanced than the NX-01, all had bridges that were much more reminiscent of the TOS bridge in terms of their simplicity...
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Yeah but take was a makeup limitation not a design choice. The Klingons in the trailer (and the Abrams films) do "look all wrong".
One of the single dumbest things that ever happened in ST imo, fans were perfectly fine ignoring the difference because we knew it was a makeup limitation in TOS, however because they actually addressed it in DS9 that made it something "real". Stupid, stupid, stupid.
I'll watch the first episode, since that will be on network TV, but I refuse to pay for CBS All-Access.
? You want to say in your analogy that the TOS bridge design looks more like the iphone, while the ENT design looks more like the Blackberry?
No idea, it seems we may have a different kind of eye perception then, because alone the ridiculous colourful helm's desk in the TOS bridge has more of those "blackberry buttons" than the entirety of the ENT bridge.
The problem though is that those ideas didn't work, as while they explain why klingons looked different in TOS/TAS, to how they do immediately before/after. They fail to explain why nobody post TAS ever comments on the Klingons mysterious [re]transformation, it also makes no sense with regards to Klingons who went into stasis in TOS appearing in TNG changed (because this was before the STE retcon).
It was a dumb idea that created more problems/questions than it solves lol.
The whole "advanced/not advanced" interiors thing is so dumb, it's like the stupid complaints about the Klingons. It was a limitation of funding and technology at the time. Nothing more, nothing less. Attempting to nerdify it into something legitimate is just silly.
Human progress isn't measured by industry. It's measured by the value you place on a life.
Just, be kind.
Look at the color scheme of the iPhone vs the Blackberry 9870. Sure, the Blackberry has a more "serious" or "mature" color scheme than the iPhone, but it's not more advanced.
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At the time of the DS9 episode, TAS was not considered canon. This came from Michael Okuda in his Enterprise D Technical Manual. Finally addressing the difference on-screen (live action) was a huge moment and what's great is that O'Brien's guess ("some kind of genetic engineering") and Bashir's guess ("a viral mutation") were both correct!
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Something that I think is really dumb is that CBS/Paramount basically stated that nobody who worked on a previous Star Trek series could work on the Abrams films. (Denise Okuda said this in an interview on the TOS blu-rays.) It's obvious that they are continuing this trend. If they'd hired the likes of the Okudas, Doug Drexler, Rick Sternbach and others, the show would look right for a Prime Universe show.
There was a universe or time line that didn't have any time travel, cold war, xindi attack or Borg encounter by Archer. You can't explain a lot of the continuity errors brought in by Enterprise without the time travel card. That is why there is a timeline without all that shit, and one without.
Finale was shit; but it can be written off as a hologram, or it was the only episode that actually took place within the prime universe. I believe the writers really didn't think things through and did it only to for the fans which evidently backfired.
Ok, at this point I assume you are just trolling. I don't see what the color scheme of two smartphone has anything to do with if the series is set in the jjverse.
The TOS bridge screams 60s. Which is hardly surprising considering when it was created. If you seriously claim Spock looking into some oscillator or Sulu wildly pressing colorful blinking buttons looks more advanced than the screens used for ENT I cannot take you serious anymore.
The series reflect not only the times they play in, but also the times they are created in. And just because something looks different, it does not mean it is meant to be different in the story telling universe, and you can find many example of that when you compare TOS and TNG (or even just compare TOS and the movies).
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