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    Honestly I'm really dreading the next expansion.

    Simply because of the pattern.

    Wrath was good.
    Cata sucked.
    MoP was good
    WoD REALLY sucked
    Legion is good.

    If the pattern continues next expansion will be as bad as, or possibly even worse than WoD.
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    I personally liked Cata a lot more than Mop. The one thing I think they f-ed up is allowing flying all over Azeroth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ace94 View Post
    I personally liked Cata a lot more than Mop. The one thing I think they f-ed up is allowing flying all over Azeroth.
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    Cata was good. Also Wrath wasn't really a good expansion, it just had a few specific good points.

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    It's really about perspective. From your point of you that pattern exists so the next expansion will be bad.

    For my own "pattern" WoD was one of the best expansions and Legion one of the worst so the next expansion will surely be good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wvvtayy View Post
    Begone antiflyer.
    This. Cata was a shit show, and the old world revamp was the worst change to the game ever. Game's one big theme park with safe spaces, flight paths, and quest hubs every 5 feet now.

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    Legion has been, overall, really good. So I'm personally worried if Blizzard can keep up that momentum in the next expansion. I mean... Demon Hunters, Illidan, Kil'jaeden, Azshara, Dadghar, Velen, Turalyon etc in one package? No 'Jaina and her rock of people in the middle of the sea' expansion would compliment that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wvvtayy View Post
    Simply because of the pattern.

    Wrath was good.
    Cata sucked.
    MoP was good
    WoD REALLY sucked
    Legion is good.

    If the pattern continues next expansion will be as bad as, or possibly even worse than WoD.
    Looking for a pattern with a data set of FIVE is pretty stupid. Cata and WoD sucked for their own reasons, and Legion's trajectory, despite the 7.2 bungle, is positive.
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    You are a carbon copy of what you long so hard to fight in the streets. An extremist. Someone so desperate for strife to prove you are the ubermensch, err, Real American.

    Alt lite. Sounds like you're having an alt fright. Unable to sleep at alt night. Maybe you should relax and fly an alt kite. Go down to the diner for an alt bite. You shouldn't be treating people with alt spite. Eventually, everything will be alt right.

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    I enjoyed Cata, but then again I was a newbie back then so maybe I was blind to the bad side of it. My guess is it was bad just because Wrath was too good.

    You can't get any worse than WoD because WoD was just a filler expansion with no real passion thrown into it. Best thing about WoD was the raiding, BRF was great. Considering a small percentage of players actually raid it meant so many players didn't actually partake in the best thing about it.

    As for my thoughts on legion, well, I just wish Diablo devs didn't help out because its a shit show of RNG in every aspect of the game. Raids haven't been all that special compared to others but other than that, Legion is alright.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thesib View Post
    This. Cata was a shit show, and the old world revamp was the worst change to the game ever. Game's one big theme park with safe spaces, flight paths, and quest hubs every 5 feet now.
    agree that the revamp is the thing that damaged the more the game, some will say causation is not correlation but I think there's a reason why the subs dropped right after cata launch, wow was about to conquer the world, it could have been bigger than what it was, but they screwed up on a planetary scale, and the subs never increased again, that's how bad cata was
    hoping they learned that removing and changing the game kills their business, as opposed to improving the game
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    Think of it in positive terms. If it is bad you can more easily not waste your time with it and do something more worthwhile instead. There is no need to dread anything unless someone is forcing you to play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cherle View Post
    It's really about perspective. From your point of you that pattern exists so the next expansion will be bad.

    For my own "pattern" WoD was one of the best expansions and Legion one of the worst so the next expansion will surely be good.
    Did you enjoy being a prisoner in your garrison once you were done raiding? Your hobbies irl must include fun activities such as watching paint dry or watching grass grow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Verbatim View Post
    Legion has been, overall, really good. So I'm personally worried if Blizzard can keep up that momentum in the next expansion. I mean... Demon Hunters, Illidan, Kil'jaeden, Azshara, Dadghar, Velen, Turalyon etc in one package? No 'Jaina and her rock of people in the middle of the sea' expansion would compliment that.
    Azshara made a cameo, and Warcraft's perpetually mishandled joke of a story had 0 bearing on the failure of the bad expansions.

    Plus Metzen and Kosak can no longer taint the story, so how much worse can it really get? Afrasiabi wrote stuff like Stonetalon Garrosh (though it was undercut by miscommunication) so if he's leading the overall story it's at least in decent enough hands if they can all stay on the same page.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dextroden View Post
    You are a carbon copy of what you long so hard to fight in the streets. An extremist. Someone so desperate for strife to prove you are the ubermensch, err, Real American.

    Alt lite. Sounds like you're having an alt fright. Unable to sleep at alt night. Maybe you should relax and fly an alt kite. Go down to the diner for an alt bite. You shouldn't be treating people with alt spite. Eventually, everything will be alt right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wvvtayy View Post
    Did you enjoy being a prisoner in your garrison once you were done raiding? Your hobbies irl must include fun activities such as watching paint dry or watching grass grow.
    Some context is I like mythic raiding and pet battles. WoD had fantastic mythic raid encounters and then I had plenty of time outside of raid to do pet battle stuff. It was great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ace94 View Post
    I personally liked Cata a lot more than Mop. The one thing I think they f-ed up is allowing flying all over Azeroth.
    Same. Cata was actually a decent expansion, unlike MoP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wvvtayy View Post
    Simply because of the pattern.

    Wrath was good.
    Cata sucked.
    MoP was good
    WoD REALLY sucked
    Legion is good.

    If the pattern continues next expansion will be as bad as, or possibly even worse than WoD.
    Obviously that's an opinion and you can't use opinions to make a pattern.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wvvtayy View Post
    Begone antiflyer.
    I LOL'd! I imagined you making an arcane gesture to ward off the argument and banish the foul spirits of anti-flight rhetoric. XD

    Quote Originally Posted by Cæli View Post
    agree that the revamp is the thing that damaged the more the game, some will say causation is not correlation but I think there's a reason why the subs dropped right after cata launch, wow was about to conquer the world, it could have been bigger than what it was, but they screwed up on a planetary scale, and the subs never increased again, that's how bad cata was
    hoping they learned that removing and changing the game kills their business, as opposed to improving the game
    I honestly think that the falloff of subs had less to do with anything else other than the conclusion of the story that was being told throughout the Warcraft games. The story had all been leading up to that, and had MANY references to the original RTS games. Whereas Cata tried to create new threats that were far less interesting to players as a whole.

    I often wonder what would have happened if WotLK had been followed up immediately by Legion. It would have been the next logical place to go with the story, since Sargeras and the burning legion also had very strong ties to the RTS games and story. Cata, MoP, and WoD are basically filler. And now that we've finally come back to some story content that has it's context well-grounded in the original source material, it's almost too late.

    I mean, think about it. They had to give players the most powerful artifacts in the lore and resurrect Illidan, as well as finally caving and creating demonhunters as a playable class. And even with all that subs are still barely at WoD levels. Whatever the next expansion is, do you really think it'll have enough to match all that fanservice? Even if it's pirates, or void lords, or something completely different, I think we'll see participation levels drop even lower. People are just fatigued with the WoW format.

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    Yeah, because your opinion on the expansions, that's exactly how its going to be.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wvvtayy View Post
    Simply because of the pattern.

    Wrath was good.
    Cata sucked.
    MoP was good
    WoD REALLY sucked
    Legion is good.

    If the pattern continues next expansion will be as bad as, or possibly even worse than WoD.
    lol i love how you dont include burning crusade... but yeah i understand why cause it did sorta suck.... it was the middle ground of the amazing vanilla and amazing wotlk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirCowdog View Post
    I LOL'd! I imagined you making an arcane gesture to ward off the argument and banish the foul spirits of anti-flight rhetoric. XD



    I honestly think that the falloff of subs had less to do with anything else other than the conclusion of the story that was being told throughout the Warcraft games. The story had all been leading up to that, and had MANY references to the original RTS games. Whereas Cata tried to create new threats that were far less interesting to players as a whole.

    I often wonder what would have happened if WotLK had been followed up immediately by Legion. It would have been the next logical place to go with the story, since Sargeras and the burning legion also had very strong ties to the RTS games and story. Cata, MoP, and WoD are basically filler. And now that we've finally come back to some story content that has it's context well-grounded in the original source material, it's almost too late.

    I mean, think about it. They had to give players the most powerful artifacts in the lore and resurrect Illidan, as well as finally caving and creating demonhunters as a playable class. And even with all that subs are still barely at WoD levels. Whatever the next expansion is, do you really think it'll have enough to match all that fanservice? Even if it's pirates, or void lords, or something completely different, I think we'll see participation levels drop even lower. People are just fatigued with the WoW format.
    that's a good point, I think what stopped the grow of subs is a combination of things, and now it's almost impossible to have that many players, but they somehow get more profit. I think if they wanted to raise the subs they could with free to play and psychological manipulation such as marketing and more incentive for competition, bringing back the nostalgic players with the old world, thing like that, but they have no reason to put such efforts given how profitable the game seems to be with the wow token and more store ties between their game

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