DPS class mobility, can I get the top 3 slowest and fastest?

[Niwes]

what a mess of a thread.

first, i would DEFINE "slowest" and "fastest" and "mobility".

- be most mobile in encounters aka leave bad spots fast ?
- do most dmg in encounters while leaving bad spots ?
- have most often short busrty speed rushes ?
- be first over a long distance i.e. when running back from death ?
- casting fast and have better "mobility wholes" ?

what ?

what are we REALLY talkin here about ?

after answering that question we can start discussing with the same base.

as an example: over a long distance warriors suck (point 4) because they only have leap. in a ST target encounter they are mid (point 3). in a cleave encounter they have good mobility (point 3). so, what is a warrior now? good? bad? its all about definitions...

[Wvvtayy]

Slowest: Destruction warlock. Haven't played enough of other classes within Legion to comment on them, but I sure feel like one of the least mobile classes due to only one baseline mobility spell (portal, which is also usable by all classes and can be provided by another lock) and spending most of your time casting a 2.5s spell.
Only generally useful mobility is burning rush talent which drains a lot of HP and there are talents on that row with amazing throughput, so you never take it.

Wat. How are any talents on the burning rush row dps increases?

[Emerald Archer]

Wat. How are any talents on the burning rush row dps increases?

Throughput doesn't mean only dps, it can easily refer to healing throughput

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Slowest: Destruction warlock. Haven't played enough of other classes within Legion to comment on them, but I sure feel like one of the least mobile classes due to only one baseline mobility spell (portal, which is also usable by all classes and can be provided by another lock) and spending most of your time casting a 2.5s spell.
Only generally useful mobility is burning rush talent which drains a lot of HP and there are talents on that row with amazing throughput, so you never take it.

You do know that takes the talents they have logged off in and not the actual talents they use in raids right?

Every single warlock i know doesnt use burning rush in mythic progression. Whereas they use it for world content and faster wc's.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/ranking...ec=Destruction

That's a lot of burning rush.

[Nyel]

DK's gap closer works differently from other classes. Technically their much better gap closer is not a mobility tool. So they get to whine about their mobility.

DKs don't have a gap closer. They have the absolutely awful Ghost Walk and Grap that's not working on big mobs. Frost DK is even worse than the other two specs (at least until 7.3).

[Emerald Archer]

You never played hunter then, lol cheetah is such shit.

You're pretty much forced to play MM or pick Trailblazer for movement.

BM and MM both have post haste, that plus cheetah means they're fine mobility wise.
Survival also has the ability to get disengage/posthaste(attached to harpoon)+cheetah+harpoon.

All 3 specs clearly better than a DK in all situations.

You clearly aren't a fan of hunter mobility, but don't use that to bend facts.

[FelPlague]

Slowest: Paladins, DK's and probably priests
Fastest: DH's, rogues, not sure about 3rd. Hunter? Monk?

where is warlock? we literally have no speed boost other then one that consumes out health per second we use it, and is in the same row as 2 MUCH better talents


worst is warlock, for sure, after that, idk, maybe priest

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Burning Rush is considered an auto pick in PvE. Beyond that, they have demonic portal and gateway. Warlocks might not be the most mobile, but I wouldn't list them as bottom three and definitely not the slowest.

Death Knight feels like it has the least mobility to me

LOL WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!?
have you even played warlock!?
"Burning Rush is considered an auto pick in PvE"
burning rush is the default pick seriously? on the row of dark pact and demonic skin?, demonic circle also needs you to place it up ahead of time, same with gateway, the time to set up gateway, wait for it to set up, and to click it, you can walk that far, the whole thing with warlock is setting up stuff ahead of time, but if all classes started without setting up warlock has NOTHING

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Throughput doesn't mean only dps, it can easily refer to healing throughput

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https://www.warcraftlogs.com/ranking...ec=Destruction

That's a lot of burning rush.

pretty sure these runs are on farm where you no longer need defencives....
can you show us progression statistics?

[Fleckens]

Yeah, there's a lot of different kinds of mobility.
We could be talking about making it a long distance asap (One side of Org to the other)
We could be talking about making it a short distance asap (One side of the boss room to another)
Or we could be talking about highest dps while moving.

I assumed Short distance asap, because usually where mobility matters the most, it's in raids, and most bosses are mechanics>dps. I used the scenario of Mistress on mythic, when the whale line thing spawns, who struggles to get out the most.

Yeah for example I got most experience as mage and priest. Mage is amazing at quickly to objectives and can also stutterstep decently with the instant cast procs and outside of icy veins they aren't punished too much if they have to move and can't cast and have no procs.

Priest on the other hand are pretty decent when we can stutterstep void bolt and can manage short bursts of movement while out of voidform/low voidform stacks but we turn into arguably the most immobile class at high stacks, at least when we look at the potential dps loss that moving could cause as anything more than suttersteps will cause us to drop voidform unless we use dispersion.

[Deleted]

Thanks for all those answers guys!!

One that got me curious was the Rogues... what abilities do they have? I only found one with 2min CD... is that it?!

sprint is a 1 minute cd (less with traits and outlaw can reset it quickly), sub has two shaowsteps, assa one. they also have baseline passive that increases their movement speed by like 15% i think

[Terahertz]

Surprised to see so many people not mention rogue and warriors.

Sub rogues have 2 shadowsteps off GCD, an 8 sec 70% sprint on a 50 sec cd, and can teleport 25 yards once while in stealth and again when using Vanish. I'd say sub rogue has much faster mobility than WW monks do. FSK, Tiger's Lust and port take a GCD and Roll locks you out of using abilities (can Roll during GCD to circumvent this).

Warriors have 2 Charges on 17 sec recharge time which has a fairly quick animation, and Heroic Leap which can cover a large distance.

Honestly I wouldn't say DH has "fast" mobility. Their gap closers are all on the GCD iirc and incur an ICD with each other so you can't use different ones in a row quickly save for the first talent tier 15 yard dash ability, but that one's on the GCD as well and has a somewhat slow animation.

I'd say Sub rogue, Warrior and (arcane) Mage all have the quickest mobility in the game. Now if we're talking about quantity, that's a different story. But in terms of catching up to a boss and covering (large) distances quickly, these 3 classes are probably the fastest.

After above classes I'd say the classes with the fastest mobility would be WW monk > DH > Hunter > Druid.

[Cyclone Duke]

To clarify when I said throughput I meant pure numbers! Yes healing numbers Can't quite put a numerical damage worth on burning rush as it's positioning which is key in a lot of fights but it's just walking, you can always just... walk without burning rush. Though you'd gain a little less time spent moving and more spent casting damage.

I guess in mythic raiding maybe it's core! I'm raiding heroic tomb myself at the moment and I really feel like I get to heal out my healers with them having much less pressure (1 less person to heal after a big AoE).

But yeah... maybe with burning rush we're not so bad I just love taking either of the other two talents over it so when I play i'm pretty slow! But it's fun to feel like a big stationary cannon.

[Erolian]

where is warlock? we literally have no speed boost other then one that consumes out health per second we use it, and is in the same row as 2 MUCH better talents


worst is warlock, for sure, after that, idk, maybe priest

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LOL WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!?
have you even played warlock!?
"Burning Rush is considered an auto pick in PvE"
burning rush is the default pick seriously? on the row of dark pact and demonic skin?, demonic circle also needs you to place it up ahead of time, same with gateway, the time to set up gateway, wait for it to set up, and to click it, you can walk that far, the whole thing with warlock is setting up stuff ahead of time, but if all classes started without setting up warlock has NOTHING

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pretty sure these runs are on farm where you no longer need defencives....
can you show us progression statistics?

Including the 7 whole public KJ parses for destro? Obviously its used a lot even on progression which isn't to say the other talents aren't also valuable, because they are, but there's not really a reason to act like people don't use Burning Rush.

[FelPlague]

Including the 7 whole public KJ parses for destro? Obviously its used a lot even on progression which isn't to say the other talents aren't also valuable, because they are, but there's not really a reason to act like people don't use Burning Rush.

because it is good for dps, since it allows you to move out of stuff fast, but for normal players the other 2 are much much better options
you are showing people in 940 gear who literally have these as their names

how at all is it a fair comparison

[Erolian]

because it is good for dps, since it allows you to move out of stuff fast, but for normal players the other 2 are much much better options
you are showing people in 940 gear who literally have these as their names

how at all is it a fair comparison

So basically, aside from bosses like host where there's something you specifically might want to soak, you think that burning rush isn't something many people choose to use outside of "farm runs" despite overwhelming statistics to the contrary on both very exclusive bosses that only the best players have even seen and also the very easiest bosses that have thousands of comparisons?

[Sencha]

Define slow. Is this about moving speed, mobility, gap closer, spells with cast time?

[VeteranoNoob]

sprint is a 1 minute cd (less with traits and outlaw can reset it quickly), sub has two shaowsteps, assa one. they also have baseline passive that increases their movement speed by like 15% i think

That sounds good!!! I guess next few days I gonna try a rogue, just need to decide about the race (horde here). If I could I would worgen, they seems to be really nice!

[Raiju]

This. With the legendary pants, a warrior can outdo monks and DHs

Warriors win on extremely specific distances and lose at everything else to the top 3

[ButterBeast]

You do know that takes the talents they have logged off in and not the actual talents they use in raids right?

Every single warlock i know doesnt use burning rush in mythic progression. Whereas they use it for world content and faster wc's.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/ranking...ec=Destruction how are you guys going to spin this?

[Razion]

--DPS Mobility--
-Slowest-
Spriest: No movement boost at all [when taking Masochism]
Warlock: "However fast Gate is" @ 1 min CD [when not taking Circle/Rush]
Frost DK: Wraith Walk - 70% boost @ 45s CD
Retribution: Untalented Steed - 100% Boost @ 45s CD

So slowest without talents is Spriest. (Only Dispersion to prevent slows.)
Slowest with talents is FDK. (Wraith Walk)

Fastest:
Havoc DH: Fel Rush (10s), Vengeful Retreat (25s), Felblade (15s), Glide (GCD)
Windwalker Monk: Roll (20s), Flying Serpent Kick (25s), Transcendence: Transfer (25s), Tiger Lust (30s)
Feral Druid: Wild Charge (15s), Skull Bash (15s), Dash (3m), Savage Roar (2m), Passive Boost

Fastest with with and without talents is Havoc [if they can Glide-step/Glide-hop].
Fastest without Glide-stepping [or without talented VR] is Windwalker.

[Emerald Archer]

pretty sure these runs are on farm where you no longer need defencives....
can you show us progression statistics?

There's no progression only way to show, but if you spend a bit of time going through the fights, you'll see that a lot of these are first kills, and a crap ton of them use burning rush.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/ranking...ec=Destruction

I'm not saying it's the right choice, I personally disagree with it, and think it'd be better for the group as a whole if they went another talent, but people do use it on prog.

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--DPS Mobility--
-Slowest-
Spriest: No movement boost at all [when taking Masochism]
Warlock: "However fast Gate is" @ 1 min CD [when not taking Circle/Rush]
Frost DK: Wraith Walk - 70% boost @ 45s CD
Retribution: Untalented Steed - 100% Boost @ 45s CD

So slowest without talents is Spriest. (Only Dispersion to prevent slows.)
Slowest with talents is FDK. (Wraith Walk)

Why are you considering a talent that spriests nearly never take? That's extremely bias.
If you're comparing specs movement, clearly it's in a fight type where movement matters, so clearly you would be taking a movement talent.

Even when it isn't a high movement fight, they take body and soul most of the time. And if not, Mania. Next to never Masochism.

[Razion]

Why are you considering a talent that spriests nearly never take? That's extremely bias.
If you're comparing specs movement, clearly it's in a fight type where movement matters, so clearly you would be taking a movement talent.

Even when it isn't a high movement fight, they take body and soul most of the time. And if not, Mania. Next to never Masochism.

The OP's question was what had the slowest mobility.
I believe Shadow Priests, with this talent, would be the slowest, so I thought it worth mentioning.
I also didn't believe it practical that Shadow Priests would take it, so I thought Frost DKs were also worth noting.
That was all, my apologies.