What was the OP's previous name? Was it mayhem or w/e cause this seems like something he'd post.
What was the OP's previous name? Was it mayhem or w/e cause this seems like something he'd post.
Who in the hell said its okay for gang members to shoot anyone. I certainly didnt so dont try to put words in my mouth.
Cops are held to a certain standard because ITS THEIR FUCKING JOB TO UPHOLD THE LAW. With that power comes great responsibility.
I expect criminal to act like a criminal. Stop with the false equivalences. Criminals shouldnt be killing people either SINCE APPARENTLY WE HAVE TO SPELL THAT SHIT OUT.
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The people on here who are trying to argue things people aren't even saying are being fucking ridiculous. People expect criminals to act outside the law and harm others. THat does not mean they condone such actions. That continued line of irrational thinking is idiotic.
Expecting cops to not kill people shouldn't be a surprise. One expects to criminals to act like criminals. That doesn't mean one supports such things.
I expect people to be disingenuous and try to deflect on issues like this. That doesn't mean I support your efforts to do so.
Who says I'm avoiding it? you're trying to pretend that cops are worse than criminals for the few questionable uses of force they have vs the vast and impressively varied criminal actions of gangs.
yes, cops could use de-escalation training, and better non-lethal options. But in this age of "fuck tha po-lice" and "what do we want? DEAD COPS!" can you really blame them for being on edge when their job is to try and protect the same people calling for their blood? it's like juggling with live hand grenades, most of the time you'll be okay. then oops there goes the pin, your boss is having a very sad conversation with your widow, and the guy who did it is out there hurting others.
Ideally, cops wouldn't kill anyone, because criminals would realize they're breaking the law and hurting others, their morality/conscience would make them turn themselves in, and in the few cases they actually have to use any type of force, they have some 100% effective, safe, and instant non-lethal takedown option. but unfortunately, we live in this shitty place called reality where they have to work with what they got, and unfortunately, that's bullets.
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Simple solution. Need to be fairly brutal to clean up the solution in the short term, but long-term benefits.
- Legalize some, but not all, drugs. The less harmful ones at least.
- Lethal force against high level gang leadership. Cut the snake off at its head.
- Actually spend some actual real honest to god actual money on these communities. Fix their roads. Tax breaks for companies/people opening businesses and employing people in the area. Funding for community/youth programs. Give people something to belong to and take pride in other than gangs.
- Train cops properly in respect and de-escalation, then get them on the streets in force as a calming presence to reduce opportunity crime. Very big cultural shift needed. Body cams at all times.
- Fix broken windows. Clean up grafitti. Put money into schools. Why isn't this stuff obvious?
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Words to live by.
"Maybe because cops are expected to protect and serve, everyone knows gang members are criminals...the equivalence is false."
This was the post I quoted originally, your insistence on defending their point shows that you support it. their point is that the tiny(by comparison) amount of police violence we face is a much greater concern than the gang crime issue.
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At this point, it just does not matter, no solutions are being proposed so i guess just ignore it
They are saying that since criminals are expected to be criminals, their actions are excusable in comparison to the extremely few amount of killings cops are responsible for. You are trying very hard to defend their stance, making it a justifiable conclusion that you share their views.
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Because black on black crime isn’t anymore of a thing than white on white. Gangs and criminals can’t fucking be expected to give a shit about anything but breaking the fucking law.
Maybe next time we can ask pimps hand have man sex traffickers how they don’t recycle and take global warming more seriously.
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It isn't worry about one or the other. Even if it were, criminals killing each other is far less troublesome then police officers killing people and much more upsetting when those people haven't done anything to warrant deadly force.
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In one city out of the country. NYC is a huge city, but that doesn't represent how things are playing out everywhere else. Even in that they are 17 to 25% more likely to use force on black people compared to white. That is a pretty large difference. 24% more likely to point their gun at and 25% more likely to pepper spray or use their baton on. As it turns out those last 2 are what the issue is mainly about. One of the stats had blacks 305% more likely to have a gun draw on them. Even the most modest of numbers in your link don't support what you are saying.
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I though since Big Pharma took over the opioid market, gang crime has been in decline?
Though there's been a rise in Skeeter on Cletus crime. As he steals the flatscreen out of his step-dad's RV to pay for some oxycontin.
Easy, because people equate police to social workers rather then what they really are - enforcers of law. Not their job to get down on one knee as people here would have you believe, its quite the opposite. Its their job to put these people down, or take the steps to incarcerate them. If they don't want the second, they shouldn't be so surprised they get the first.