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  1. #61
    Can I make a real life comparison without offending someone?

    How many of you have ever heard a racist white person refer to someone from Africa as a monkey, despite the fact that we all share the same ancestors?
    It's a cruel joke that gets a pass because it's fictional races saying it, but it's still a really offensive joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhlor View Post
    from my point of view it was all the work of the nightborne spies.
    It's hard to tell because of the scaling of the game(there would realistically be 1000's of soldiers) but just a few spies throwing insults back and forth would be ineffective if it didn't instigate others to join in. The racial tension was already there, they just played on them.

    I'm sure that for every spy that started a racist prank towards the other group, 10 more joined in. Or else your spy/instigators are just wasting time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Friendlyimmolation View Post
    No it wasn’t. Stop spreading falsehoods.


    Could you just for once not be a broken record?
    Definitely the spies starting shit. The whole point was that something was causing them to be at each other's throat for no clear reason. Khadgar even brings this up. The Nightborne spies were infiltrating the camps and causing trouble between the two to start infighting among the army who was about to assault them. He, as well as the leaders of the respective groups, understand that this sort of behavior might seem normal, but he has a suspicion that it isn't. It turns out that the Nightborne were the culprits. They don't have to necessarily be the ones who physically wrote out the insults or delivered them to the camps, but it only takes some well thought out words to instigate hostility between factions. The spies very easily could have just started talking down about each side which caused tensions to grow and the sides to agree that they need to take action. They might have thrown the first blow and then sat back and watched the rest unfold.

    The important thing to realize is that neither side would start something like this in the middle of a war without some form of instigation. There's just no way either group of them is actually that retarded.

  3. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by Friendlyimmolation View Post
    No, do not listen to Rhlor. The insults were the night elves and the blood elves. The Nightborne spies were doing something "beyond the simple japes"
    "Beyond these simple japes, the Kirin Tor has had to break up a few fights between the elves. I am worried something - or someone - might be influencing them."

    You're ignoring that there's more to that sentence. The instigators were causing the insults and the fights. And then follows with suspicion that someone is "influencing them"

    This is kinda clear

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeBogina View Post
    It's hard to tell because of the scaling of the game(there would realistically be 1000's of soldiers) but just a few spies throwing insults back and forth would be ineffective if it didn't instigate others to join in. The racial tension was already there, they just played on them.

    I'm sure that for every spy that started a racist prank towards the other group, 10 more joined in. Or else your spy/instigators are just wasting time.
    Yes but this is the point that people are making. It isn't that hard to rile people up, but I don't think either group of elves would instigate this by themselves in the middle of a war. There's obviously going to be some racial tension, but I think you need more fuel than that to distract two races who have fought a very, very long time for the preservation of their world.

    I think what is more likely to have happened is the Nightborne spies causing tension by openly discussing the racial disparity between the two, and they probably also started the first insults directed at the opposite groups. At that point, it's easy to see how the fighting would have escalated.

    I don't think people are really suggesting that the Nightborne did literally everything, but they probably did just enough to cause the fire to become self-sustaining. You just need a little fuel and a spark to burn down an entire forest.

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    In case you haven't noticed wow is all about racial hatred and lord knows racism doesn't have to make sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeBogina View Post
    It's a cruel joke that gets a pass because it's fictional races saying it, but it's still a really offensive joke.
    Offensive? It's fiction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chemii View Post
    In case you haven't noticed wow is all about racial hatred and lord knows racism doesn't have to make sense.

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    Offensive? It's fiction.
    Exactly my point, it's fictional races, it gets a pass, but take the joke out of the fiction, apply it to real people. it's an extremely offensive joke. Now place it back into the fiction, no wonder the night elves and blood elves were fighting... The Night Elves were just as offended as a normal person in the real world would be.

    I'm just pointing out to the oblivious, that this was an offensive insult, which was an effective tactic used by the Nightbourne

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garkanh View Post
    Stop trolling already, it's getting annoying to read again and again How you refuse to believe, or Even accept Peoples views.
    The nightborne was the course for the trouble. It's made crystal clear for any one Who bothered to read the quest. Stop telling everywere they are lying just because they don't agree with you
    You mean the fact that both leaders say they are ashamed of their soilders actions? There was a whole desperate thread months ago on how someone couldn't accept that the elves hated each-other all ready. So now, the person who needs to read again is infact you "Beyond these simple japes." as in beyond the practical jokes another thing is happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeBogina View Post
    "Beyond these simple japes, the Kirin Tor has had to break up a few fights between the elves. I am worried something - or someone - might be influencing them."

    You're ignoring that there's more to that sentence. The instigators were causing the insults and the fights. And then follows with suspicion that someone is "influencing them"

    This is kinda clear

    Uh, or perhaps it's the fact that "Beyond these simple japes" doesn't mean that the nightborne are causing it? Nowhere in the quest text does is say the Nightborne are causing it, only that they are influencing what is already there.

    This is kinda clear
    except for the part where it isnt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hctaz View Post
    Definitely the spies starting shit. The whole point was that something was causing them to be at each other's throat for no clear reason. Khadgar even brings this up. The Nightborne spies were infiltrating the camps and causing trouble between the two to start infighting among the army who was about to assault them. He, as well as the leaders of the respective groups, understand that this sort of behavior might seem normal, but he has a suspicion that it isn't. It turns out that the Nightborne were the culprits. They don't have to necessarily be the ones who physically wrote out the insults or delivered them to the camps, but it only takes some well thought out words to instigate hostility between factions. The spies very easily could have just started talking down about each side which caused tensions to grow and the sides to agree that they need to take action. They might have thrown the first blow and then sat back and watched the rest unfold.

    The important thing to realize is that neither side would start something like this in the middle of a war without some form of instigation. There's just no way either group of them is actually that retarded.
    Vereesa and Tyrande say hello, Rommath and his master race blood elf complex says hello.


    again, the quest text does not say the Nightborne spies caused it, but that they are getting influenced by it. "Beyond these simple japes" as in Aside from the jokes, something more serious is happening.



    So a TLDR, before Rhlor comes back with another broken sentence, the confirmation that you guys keep posting is not confirmation at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WoWKnight65 View Post
    That's same excuse from you and so many others on this website and your right some of threads do bully high elf fans to a point where they might end up losing their minds to a point of a mass shooting.
    Holy shit lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramz View Post
    You still didn't provide any backing for that..
    does official blizzard works for u ? check wowpedia night elves page
    they also refuse 'kindly' Velen suggest that Elune behaves exactly like a Naaru
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    Quote Originally Posted by Friendlyimmolation View Post
    again, the quest text does not say the Nightborne spies caused it, but that they are getting influenced by it. "Beyond these simple japes" as in Aside from the jokes, something more serious is happening.
    I seriously think you're reading it wrong. The point that Khadgar is trying to make is that he wasn't too concerned with them while they remained pranks. The reason he's asking you to investigate is because he thinks that the ENTIRE THING is being instigated by outside sources due to the escalation of violence that is happening. And then he says you've confirmed his suspicions later when you come back with evidence of the Nightborne infiltration.

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    Blood elf: You're troll descendants hahaha!!

    Night elves: You're troll descendants, nearly got wiped out by them to the point you had to go beg humans for help and you're also allied to them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hctaz View Post
    I seriously think you're reading it wrong. The point that Khadgar is trying to make is that he wasn't too concerned with them while they remained pranks. The reason he's asking you to investigate is because he thinks that the ENTIRE THING is being instigated by outside sources due to the escalation of violence that is happening. And then he says you've confirmed his suspicions later when you come back with evidence of the Nightborne infiltration.
    The quest text does nothing to show that the spies created the conflict, merely exploited the pranks and hatred that was already there. The quest text specifically says "Beyond these simple japes." As in there are other things than the elves simply insulting each-other, if the night borne are doing anything, they are probably escalating the fights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pateuvasiliu View Post
    Blood elf: You're troll descendants hahaha!!

    Night elves: You're troll descendants, nearly got wiped out by them to the point you had to go beg humans for help and you're also allied to them
    Or "Your ten thousand year old warriors have to be trained in simple strategy by a human, lost on their homeground and had to be saved yet again by humans."

    If you are going to try to insult elves based off of who has needed more help from humans, and you are trying to take the side of the night elves, you are going to have a bad time.
    Quote Originally Posted by WoWKnight65 View Post
    That's same excuse from you and so many others on this website and your right some of threads do bully high elf fans to a point where they might end up losing their minds to a point of a mass shooting.
    Holy shit lol

  12. #72
    Ok, lets say Nightborne did it.

    Why would they insult themselves by insulting Night Elves.

    Aside from the obvious, that they are filthy french elves.

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    Trolls are their common ancestor, which is why these remarks by blood elves make no sense. Blood elven characters indirectly taking a dig at trolls is even funnier considering they were lead by one as their warchief.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sails View Post
    well the Blood Elves are more removed from trolls then Night Elfs. Also racists use monkey as a racist term despite also being descendant from apes etc

    not to mention the blood elves are just trying to get a rise out of the Night Elves and their troll heritage is a big chip on the NEs shoulders so easiest thing to insult.
    Yeah basically the insult is "you are closer to our primitive ancestors than we are".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Verdugo View Post
    Ok, lets say Nightborne did it.

    Why would they insult themselves by insulting Night Elves.

    Aside from the obvious, that they are filthy french elves.
    Because they don't feel any sympathy to their redneck brethen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Friendlyimmolation View Post
    The quest text does nothing to show that the spies created the conflict, merely exploited the pranks and hatred that was already there. The quest text specifically says "Beyond these simple japes." As in there are other things than the elves simply insulting each-other, if the night borne are doing anything, they are probably escalating the fights.

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    Or "Your ten thousand year old warriors have to be trained in simple strategy by a human, lost on their homeground and had to be saved yet again by humans."

    If you are going to try to insult elves based off of who has needed more help from humans, and you are trying to take the side of the night elves, you are going to have a bad time.
    What does age have to do with battle in Warcraft? You should know by now that the young races fight those that are thousands of years old all the time. But if you want to play that game, the Blood Elves were also defeated in their homeland by a human and were led by an orc who was in his 30s for years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pateuvasiliu View Post
    What does age have to do with battle in Warcraft? You should know by now that the young races fight those that are thousands of years old all the time. But if you want to play that game, the Blood Elves were also defeated in their homeland by a human and were led by an orc who was in his 30s for years.
    And ironically enough, that human laid waste to their kingdom under the control and influence of an orc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pateuvasiliu View Post
    What does age have to do with battle in Warcraft? You should know by now that the young races fight those that are thousands of years old all the time. But if you want to play that game, the Blood Elves were also defeated in their homeland by a human and were led by an orc who was in his 30s for years.
    10 thousand years of fighting, still would have fallen for a bait and run into bait that apperantly only Varian could see, One of the head strategists of the War of the Ancients, unable to see why zerg rushing wasn't a good idea. The point being if you apply your argument to blood elves, night elves are still more pathetic in that regards

    Also unlike the night elves, the blood elves needed a traitor to even let Arthas in, otherwise he would have been stuck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WoWKnight65 View Post
    That's same excuse from you and so many others on this website and your right some of threads do bully high elf fans to a point where they might end up losing their minds to a point of a mass shooting.
    Holy shit lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aydinx2 View Post
    No, they're not.
    Blood Elves are more closely related to trolls since they didn't undergo much change since the High Elf times.
    Meanwhile Nightelves gained different skin colours, ear length and other properties.
    e

    excuse me?

    do you even lore?

    Echem. Dark Trolls settled around the Well of Eternity. They mutated into the Kaldorei.

    A group of Kaldorei fancying themselves nobility were eventually banished from Kalimdor and mutated into High Elves.

    These High Elves suffered a massive genocide at the hands of the Scourge and the vast majority became Blood Elves.

    Therefore, night elves are more closely related to trolls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garkanh View Post
    Stop trolling already, it's getting annoying to read again and again How you refuse to believe, or Even accept Peoples views.
    The nightborne was the course for the trouble. It's made crystal clear for any one Who bothered to read the quest. Stop telling everywere they are lying just because they don't agree with you
    "Beyond these simple japes..."
    "Beyond these simple japes..."
    "Beyond these simple japes..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Friendlyimmolation View Post
    10 thousand years of fighting, still would have fallen for a bait and run into bait that apperantly only Varian could see, One of the head strategists of the War of the Ancients, unable to see why zerg rushing wasn't a good idea. The point being if you apply your argument to blood elves, night elves are still more pathetic in that regards

    Also unlike the night elves, the blood elves needed a traitor to even let Arthas in, otherwise he would have been stuck.
    Not really, elves are now allied to the Undead and Orcs that burned their own lands.

    And that a single blood elf could fuck so much shit up only shows how bad their defences were.

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