Maybe because they wanted to devote resources elsewhere? Mob models are easier to get done with.
Also draenei practically did not exist at all aside from the ... Like two major demons to show up in lore prior. Not to mention the left field blow we took from pandaren.
I'm not saying they are likely in any way... Just saying they are "possible".
They are somewhere between Worgen and Draenei in terms of potential to be playable.
Which, neither of those races were expected for various reasons. Point is Draenei didn't exist, worgen did and got a couple updates prior to suddenly being overhauled into playable status.
Stranger things have happened.
While under the control of Demons the Horde came to Azeroth to conquer it on behalf of their demonic masters. They finally broke that curse and were made slaves and prisoners, their children shackled from the moment they took their first steps. They escaped slavery through violence and fled across the world, with Thrall trying to convince humans to let the orcs go free to live on their own far away. And even as the Plague was wiping out entire cities, the humans still went "Nah, let's ignore Medivh and go chase those orcs to WIPE THEM OUT". Their goal wasn't to go across the sea and recapture their slaves ('Cause that's certainly noble) but to slaughter every orc. All of them. WC3 minced no words on the intended genocide.
Kael'Thas was at the time a noble person and the last member of the royal family. In the wake of the Dead Scar he gathered up his warriors to join the alliance against the Scourge. He was a hero, not a betrayer.Garithos was a racist piece of human garbage who didn't trust elves because they were elves. He thought they would turn against Lordaeron and he saw their loose alliance with the Naga in order to survive the impossible odds he put them in as direct proof that they weren't worthy of trust or care, and planned to have them ALL executed. You could argue that's not a genocidal act in itself, but the man was pretty clearly a human supremacist, for lack of a better phrase, and would certainly have extended his campaign to the remaining survivors of Silvermoon, had he survived long enough to do it.
It's not like the other humans would've tried to stop him, after all. They were busy trying to commit genocide on the Orcs, and when the Tauren joined the Fledgling Horde they became worthy of the same outright slaughter in the eyes of the alliance. Slaves escaping their owners was the genesis of the third war between men and orcs, and we must never forget that.
You're right. I blended the events a bit. I could've sworn it was after Kael escaped the prison.
... while under the control of the Burning Legion. Rogers and Garithos aren't compelled by the greatest evil WoW has had us fight to commit their atrocities. They're just flat out racists on their own. And "It wasn't us, it was our leaders!" holds a ton more weight when you rise up and kill your leaders, or depose them and put them in prison for their crimes. And "It wasn't us, it was this faction" does, too, when that faction takes your rightful leader prisoner, nearly kills her, and is then faced with the mass uprising of your people against that person for their various crimes.
... are you trying to defend the Scarlet Crusade? They were literally genocidal racists who wanted to kill everyone who wasn't human for fear they'd get the plague and turn against Mankind. The kidnapped and tortured and slaughtered whomever they pleased and were, -later- infiltrated by demons who lead them to become the Scarlet Onslaught.
Yes. The Forsaken kill farmers in Tirisfal. That's not really up for debate and I don't think there's any justification for that action. But fighting, and killing, the Scarlet Crusade is -absolutely- justifiable. As for Southshore: The plague-bombing there was an act of war during wartime to destroy a port that was supplying weapons and arms to their enemies who were attacking them at the time.
There's also a difference between Conquest and Genocide. The Forsaken have no intent to "Wipe out all humans" or "Destroy gnome society".
Again, I'm not saying the Forsaken are pristine innocents in a world of horrors. I'm saying there's evil all over the place with biological weapons on the Horde-Side and Genocidal Furor on the Human Side. Whether these things are equal is up for debate, but they certainly exist.
We're shown, clearly, that Forsaken have free will. They're not enslaved by the Banshee Queen. In the Player Starting area and even in the initial text. The argument that they're forcibly making them "Loyal" members is invalid, the canon shows it isn't true.
The RAS might not be gone, but the members of it who broke from it and tried to rebel and intended to commit genocide are all dead... weird how the whole group isn't blamed for the actions of a reviled and destroyed portion of its constituency...
Shit the Orcs pulled in Icecrown? I seem to recall both sides having reasons to fight, there... Do you have a specific thing you're referring to?
Why would Sylvanas be dead? What war crimes did she commit that are reasons to kill her, exactly? The use of Biological weapons/chemical weapons is awful stuff, absolutely, but if you're facing extinction 'cause Garrosh is pulling the same shit Garithos pulled it's time to let the Naga help...
You're right that the Horde didn't oppose him, initially. He used an iron fist to crush dissent by literally killing anyone who disagreed with him and cowed people into obedience. In fact when he -suspected- Vol'jin might turn on him, he sent assassins to end that threat. But I'll remind you that before the Night Elves got near the gates, the Darkspear Revolution was in full force.
Alliance apologists are disgusting. Slaughtering innocents across multiple continents is fine if you're "Just trying to wipe out an entire species out of racist fear uwu"
'Cause it's not like the Alliance are sweet babies with candy rattles. Slavery, Genocide, Slaughter of Innocents that look different, culture wars among their own people, encroachment on the territory of ancient peoples with the intent to kill them and take their lands, the aforementioned war crimes and deep seated racism for which there is no response by the political forces in power...
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I just think your logic on why they can't become playable is wrong. They have a basic model now because they didn't want the Nightborne to be Night Elves with the story they wanted to tell in Suramar. Things change during development, my guess is the models were done and they continued to write a story with them. Eventually coming to the realization that in 8.0 they want to add them to the playable roster.
I mean this logic would assume that Worgen, Goblin, and Blood Elves shouldn't have been made playable. Those races had models in game, and they definitely were player character ready. I'm guessing you think only brand new races can be added. Not against that at all, there's another thread where I posted what I'd want to see.
Also on the topic of Nightborne going Alliance or Horde....they clearly are being set up as a neutral race. If they join one faction over the other its the ultimate slap in da face.
Its fun that no one is talking about new professions in leak. No one care about professions?