[SPOILERS] Next Expansion Info and Discussion

[Xorn]

The regent placed in power by a Burning Legion pawn?

He has as much right as might gives him. And soon enough it seems his might will run out.

To be fair.

Kael was the rightful ruler at the time, and NOT aligned with the legion yet. So when he appointed Theron, he had the authority and the right.

[pateuvasiliu]

Which is why some preached reunification.

Under the Horde? Why would they join the ones that killed their families in the Second War? Why would they join the Trolls, or the Undead that force undeath onto others?

C'mon.

[Mehrunes]

I am Very happy about a lot of it, but i will also just be honest here. And this is mainly just salt but.
HOW is it fucking fair, Horde Destroys an Alliance city + Zone: Teldrassil. When alliance only Sieges Undercity. yes it is just bitching, but Ones more Alliance flat out looses more ground and land then the horde.
feel like it is Cata all over. A world tree, an entire not just City but zone gets destroyed, And alliance dont even Win the Fight of undercity, just a dang Siege of it.

Other than you missing the non-cinematic trailer where entire continent of Lordaeron is painted blue despite currently being predominantly Horde, with Alliance landing fourth after neutral factions and Scourge remnant, do you seriously think Forsaken are going to run merrily around Deathknell after this? Is Alliance so incompetent they are going to just destroy the capital and leave it at that?

[Wildberry]

You don't kick out 10% of the population just because some of them give you trouble, Donald.

If they're part of an identifiable group disproportionately overrepresented in rabble-rousing and other troublesome activities during a time of civilizational crisis you do. You're really not going to motivate me on this by drawing real world comparisons, you'll only embolden me. That's all I'll say on that note.

[pateuvasiliu]

The Crown and Regency of Quel'thalas have rights by legality and conquest. The High Elves have none.

They have fuck all, Lor'themar was put in power by a servant of Illidan/The Legion.

[Deleted]

The regent placed in power by a Burning Legion pawn?

He has as much right as might gives him. And soon enough it seems his might will run out.

A regent placed in power by the rightful ruler of Quel'thalas.

They have fuck all, Lor'themar was put in power by a servant of Illidan/The Legion.

And still is a legal right, just as much King Arthas had over Lordaeron.

[pateuvasiliu]

If they're part of an identifiable group disproportionately overrepresented in rabble-rousing and other troublesome activities during a time of civilizational crisis you do. .

Then don't fucking cry on tumblr when they come back with an army to kick you out like the tyrant you are.

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A regent placed in power by the rightful ruler of Quel'thalas.

Sorry Legion pawns aren't rightful rulers of anything.

[Mehrunes]

One could say the same of the Forsaken in Vanilla or the Darkspear. They were both in very bad shape and needed the Horde to survive. Just like the High Elves did. They're clearly becoming a factor in the war again.

The alliance between the Forsaken and the Horde has been painted as one of convenience for both sides.

[Friendlyimmolation]

The regent placed in power by a Burning Legion pawn?

He has as much right as might gives him. And soon enough it seems his might will run out.

Made Regent before he went insane unless that lore was changed, and at the end of the day "might makes right" can be applied for everything if that is the path you want to take.

[Xorn]

They have fuck all, Lor'themar was put in power by a servant of Illidan/The Legion.

He wasn't at the time though. At the time, he was the rightful ruler.

Also, the people accepted him. There were a few that didn't, but that's called a coup

[Deleted]

Except the Alliance never owned those lands, nor Lordaeron owned any of the other kingdoms. It was, indeed, an Alliance, centralized ownership was utterly absent.

Didn't you got the memo? NATO owns North America and Western Europe.

[frogger237]

You guys already sieged Orgrimmar, then got to travel back in time and relive your finest moments. How in the Hell can you possibly even justify bitching about Horde favoritism at this point?

The Alliance didn't siege Org they helped the Horde retake it. And realistically the Horde should get steamrolled pretty easy considering they lost half their forces when they sided against Garrosh

[Friendlyimmolation]

Under the Horde? Why would they join the ones that killed their families in the Second War? Why would they join the Trolls, or the Undead that force undeath onto others?

C'mon.

Because the Horde control's Quel'thalas? Go bug Auric then and ask him.

[Deleted]

Sorry Legion pawns aren't rightful rulers of anything.

Still doesn't matter what faction he belong, he was rightful ruler.

[Xorn]

Didn't you got the memo? NATO owns North America and Western Europe.

Exactly. So if a country ever left NATO, it would then be their right to stage a military invasion to "reclaim" that land.

/s

[Wildberry]

Then don't fucking cry on tumblr when they come back with an army to kick you out like the tyrant you are.

I'm not crying, just pointing out bad arguments. Kind of like the idea that Quel'thalas should be a universalist state with classical liberal attitudes towards the rights of citizens. Or, like the following:

Sorry Legion pawns aren't rightful rulers of anything.

Kael'thas wasn't aligned with the Burning Legion when Lor'themar Theron was made Regent Lord. Theron also held a fairly high post in the Thalassian military prior to his appointment, thus making the "muh Burning Legion" argument even worse.

[Aquamonkey]

Under the Horde? Why would they join the ones that killed their families in the Second War? Why would they join the Trolls, or the Undead that force undeath onto others?

Are you completely unfamiliar with the H/BElf story?

[Wikiy]

But then the people living there left said alliance. It'd be like if the US and Canada formed an alliance, and then Canada said "Naw, you guys are dicks, I'm gonna be bffs with Greenland." If the US then invaded Canada, it wouldn't be "retaking" land, it would be conquering it.

An argument could be made for Quel'Thalas in that regard, but certainly not Lordaeron.

[CthulhuFhtagn]

At the 1:20 ish mark. Is...is that Saurfang?!

Oh yeah, getting a new model ingame as well that looks like that as well. More Saurfang is always a good thing.

[Wildberry]

The Alliance didn't siege Org they helped the Horde retake it. And realistically the Horde should get steamrolled pretty easy considering they lost half their forces when they sided against Garrosh

That's a very interesting way to say you guys sieged the city.