USA needs gun control ASAP.
so just because people think owning a gun is ok that means we think mass shootings are ok
well by that logic since you support prisons you think concentration camps are ok
noone is arguing shootings are ok but to say "hey criminals wont get illegal guns if we make every gun illegal" is retarded
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what is your solution??
nothing prevents a criminal
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we have it
the gun used is illegal and not sold within the US but can be obtained illegally
Well it's a side effect of the Americans desire to carry guns, it's a tragedy but in the end it's their choice, and while it seems weird, I've come to the conclusion that beeing sad about random people getting shot is pointless, they're obviously ok with a shooting every week, as long as they can own a gun. It's abit like weed beeing legal in cafe's in Holland produces the side effect of people beeing more fun and happy. Obviously Holland is the smarter country in this comparison.
ok after a bit more reading....this thread is filled with idealist psychopaths
you all have fun
Similar thing to what Australia did pretty much.
1. Standard and uniform laws on guns across ALL states
2. Registration of gun owners, and guns - including reason to own (e.g. sport, hunting, farmer, hobby etc)
3. Once these are in place, an amnesty where you can either SELL your guns to the government or REGISTER the guns with the government.
4. Wait a decade or so to see a shift in community expectations of guns.
Things the US would need to do differently:
1. Probably take a couple of years to negotiate the standard laws across all states
2. A wider range of reasons to own than Australia
3. Registration with say the NRA rather than the government, and NRA then becomes responsible and liable.
I can however say there is one solution that hasn't worked yet ... "thoughts and prayers".
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ok for the sake of argument lets say it was a legal gun
no legal gun could have produced that result
you want to say "americans are ok with the shootings and ok with guns"
to that i say yes i am ok with people being able to own guns but people shooting eachother is not ok and i can say that because there is a line between the 2 and that is called the law. The outrage screaming "gun control is the solution" is retarded no matter if you outlaw every gun every knife every single item that can be used as a weapon the point remains criminals will find a way and they ALWAYS find a way. They are criminals they are garbage they do not care. The only solution is death and until those feigning outrage or superiority come up with a better solution then i must only believe they either realize this or want anarchy.
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you just said it though "the law doesnt stop criminals"
how many mass shootings have been done using legal firearms in the US this year??
We have a lot of guns here in Israel, i myself own a handgun (license took a lot of tests and limited to 50 cartridges) and yet there are no mass shootings similar to those in the US, guns are part of military service or line of work and not part of a gun culture.
There are a lot of law abiding citizens in the US that own various guns and treat them with respect and it's understandable why they go all defensive when people want them punished because some wacko grabbed a gun and decided to murder innocents, but something has to be done and some middle ground acceptable by everyone (Pro and Anti gun camps) has to be agreed upon.
Indeed - it defines them. That's EXACTLY how this change works.
Let me try a really silly analogy.
We make wearing pink clothes illegal, $500 on the spot fine for wearing pink clothes.
Does this stop criminals wearing pink clothes ? Absolutely not.
Does it make it extremely hard for criminals to wear pink clothes ? Absolutely YES!!!
Again - the law about pink clothes doesn't stop pink clothes, it merely defines it as a law to make identifying a criminal easier.
In gun terms - we make it so that wondering the streets with a gun becomes a pretty obvious sign you are a criminal - EVERYWHERE in the US consistently.
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so what are we calling this. mental health issue? terrorist? nazi dude? religion? up bringing? or are we finally going to break out of the labeling rut and start getting into the details.
so with current population US has about 10.3 firearm deaths per 100,000 ppl
australia has .6 per 100,000 ppl
australia has less than 30m ppl
US has 323m
so in spite of the huge difference in gun control laws its pretty damn interesting that statistically the death rate is pretty close
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we have that
wandering around with an automatic weapon is illegal
EVERYWHERE IN THE US that is the case
name one state where you can buy an automatic weapon purchase the ammo or wander the street with it
the law doesnt stop criminals now but it defines them now and it has defined them and thats been the case for years
what you suggest using the term guns is more like saying pink shirts with a swastika are bad we need to make laws saying pink shirts are illegal therefore everyone wearing pink shirts will be lumped together much like how this thread lumps those who support guns support shootings
this isnt even an argument this is a back and forth saying "yeah this is illegal laws make it illegal"
if your argument is ignorance is allowing this to happen then i agree laws wont change that though because we have things like "fully semi-automatic" being used as a phrase
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hopefully not. we have had enough of the, oh brown guy terrorist, white school kid shooter and black dude robber. bad people come from every corner and every section. every village has its crazies. the intelligent and the peaceful should band together to better corner and finish off these fools rather than mindless finger pointing, and generalizations.
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It's not simple as using finland's tools to solve a problem. The US has a lot of regional variation. Besides minnesota alone is equivalent to finland in population and has an identical homicide rate. Everyone wants to change the rules of how we obtain guns rather than the real issue of copycat men who are deciding to commit suicide by killing a bunch of people in a public space. The copycat men are what need to be addressed and figuring out a way to interrupt this sick cycle that keeps occurring.
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All right, gentleperchildren, let's review. The year is 2024 - that's two-zero-two-four, as in the 21st Century's perfect vision - and I am sorry to say the world has become a pussy-whipped, Brady Bunch version of itself, run by a bunch of still-masked clots ridden infertile senile sissies who want the Last Ukrainian to die so they can get on with the War on China, with some middle-eastern genocide on the side
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