What's happening to the Horde? Is it all about undead and elves now?

[Dreknar20]

mop had no horde love? an entire raid happened in orgrimmar...

how exactly is attacking your own city and warchief and people supposed to be love?

Not everyone abides by S and M

[Maljinwo]

how exactly is attacking your own city and warchief and people supposed to be love?

Not everyone abides by S and M

Because a civil war is clearly an act of love

[Dreknar20]

Also if it makes you feel better it seems like Saurfang has his biggest role in the game yet and he is the Orc leader as well as Thrall who is supposed to be making his return.

likewise trolls - Zandalari
Tauren/Baine - Highmountain
Hopefully orcs with soon to be inc brown orcs

plenty of tibits of development for the original members of the horde

[Wildberry]

mop had no horde love? an entire raid happened in orgrimmar...

Yeah, you were raiding Orgrimmar. How do you people even convince yourselves that that's Horde love? Like, I'm convinced that it takes a genius to convince themselves of something so stupid.

also Garrosh was literally the focal point of MoP, and the catalyst of WoD which was a god damn orc expansion. Stop your whining or unsub, we dont care.

Please explain the jawdropping argument of how ousting your Warchief, raiding your capital, and then going back in time to kill all of your heroes is somehow even remotely pro-Orc.

But what the hell? What the hell happened to the real underdogs, the roots of the Horde?

In all seriousness, the Horde died once that started pushing the 'multiculti "Horde be a family mon" band of underdogs' nonsense. That doesn't describe the Horde from Orcs and Humans all the way up to Garrosh, but once the Darkspear Rebellion kicks off, the angle is shoehorned in, and the writers pretend it was there the entire time by twisting themes from WCIII.

Obviously that doesn't sit well with players, which is why so many people hated Warchief Vol'jin. Where has that left us though? With Sylvanas. She's better than Vol'jin, her "Horde" is better than the Horde from the Darkspear Rebellion to Vol'jin's death, but it's not the Horde. I sympathize, but unless we get another proper Orc character to pick up the mantle of Warchief and influence the Horde as a whole, she's the best we have.

[Dreknar20]

Like, I'm convinced that it takes a genius to convince themselves of something so stupid

obviously nothing will show Blizzs love of the Alliance more than garona assassinating every racial leader

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Because a civil war is clearly an act of love

na, its just the easiest kind of story for Blizzs kinda stories.

Why we had another rebellion storyline with Suramar. Rebellion instantly makes someone an underdog and instantly a hero. Easy peasy.

[CreatureLives]

likewise trolls - Zandalari
Tauren/Baine - Highmountain
Hopefully orcs with soon to be inc brown orcs

plenty of tibits of development for the original members of the horde

I could see Frostwolf Orcs being a thing since they are really the only Orcs that never joined the Iron Horde. Since we helped save Draenor I could see them returning the favor by sending some of them our way. Who would be their leader? Can't be Durotan because he (and Grom) are too important to Draenor but I could see Thrall leading them especially since he is Durotan's son.

And we even know what their fancy transmog could be:

[Rend Blackhand]

The Horde has had too many Elves since TBC. More people should play the classic Horde races.

[Aucald]

I wouldn't think so, no. The Orcs, Trolls, and Tauren are front and center for BfA - Saurfang got a pretty huge portrayal in the cinematic, and the only Forsaken or Elf depicted was Sylvanas (understandable as she's the current Warchief of the Horde). The primary action for the Horde is taking place on Zandalar featuring a pretty heavy Troll aesthetic - and the Forsaken themselves have lost their home and will have to relocate elsewhere. Of the allied races joining the Horde one is a new subset of Elves, but the other two are subsets of "classic" races in the form of Trolls and Tauren.

If anything, BfA promises to bring Orcs, Trolls, and Tauren back into definite prominence. The Blood Elves and Forsaken will certainly have a role, but I doubt it will be one that eclipses or even holds a candle to the more martial members of the Horde.

[steelballfc]

Orcs were the focal point for quite a while. It's somewhat interesting for them to step back and another race to get some stage time. Hell, I wish the same would happen Alliance side.

it will never happen there
only love will go to humans
before ,now and forever

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Garrosh was a homicidal maniac, Vol'jin was a lame duck, and Sylvanas is a homicidal maniac...I don't think they know what to do with the Horde in general after Thrall stood down...Trolls still don't have a leader to replace Vol'jin since he took over as Warchief, if I recall. Forsaken don't have anyone to take place of Sylvanas either I imagine...Blightcaller is following her around doing her bidding, so it isn't him.

Rokhan is now the leader

[Kithelle]

it will never happen there
only love will go to humans
before ,now and forever

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Rokhan is now the leader

I haven't seen any mention of him in anything since he was in the Horde garrison in WoD...so news to me lol

[steelballfc]

I haven't seen any mention of him in anything since he was in the Horde garrison in WoD...so news to me lol

if you lvl up your prestige in legion he is the representative of the trolls, and in BFZ orgrimmar-garrison-thing he is also the representative of the troll as their leader.

[Flarelaine]

I mean, this race literally requires dead enemies and friends to increase in population. How the hell on any living races okay with these guys sticking around is beyond me.

I could never understand that, either.

[steelballfc]

I could never understand that, either.

thrall wasn't ok with it, but the main reason why he accepted sylv and later blood elf's into the horde because the Horde needed a foot-hold in EK, both have a chunk of territory's, safe and easily guarded " until the new expansion ", so even the horde didn't like them, but all need each other.

[bufferunderrun]

Love how we have 1 cinematic, and a few art panels and everyones already bitching about the new expansion, without knowing everything thats in it. Main reason so many people say "vanilla was the best". For the last 10 years, everything blizz has done is just met with automatic hate.

The topic of this thread is already pretty clear, they decided to use the horde again as the war starter and even if they come back with another old god corruption at the end (which per se is already crap given it's basically garrosh 2.05), nothing will change they could have used jaina or graymane for the same purpose but again used the horde.
So it's not automatic hate.

[Skoll Shorties]

Did you watch the cinematic? I'm not sure that you did friend. Sylvanas is the Warchief of the Horde, her not being heavily involved in the story or expansion wouldn't make any sense but if you're asking where the other races are they're still heavily present especially the Orcs, Tauren, and Trolls as can be see in the cinematic and more than likely the expansion too. The Horde is still the Horde it hasn't changed much for me other then in Leadership, we're still the outcasts, we're still the misfits, we are still the Horde.

[Fyersing]

There are only groups of sentients, ultimately native to Azeroth, that ever had sprawling empires: Elves and Trolls.

The factions would be immeasurably benefitted, in terms of faction identity, if these two groups remained as separated from each other as possible.

Nightborne should go Alliance. Not because they have more in common with the Night Elves or High Elves or Void Elves, but because they're not Trolls.

Really, Trolls are just "savage Elves" anyways. They really should be massively important to the Horde.

Darkspear Trolls.
Amani Trolls.
Zandalari Trolls.
Drakkari Trolls.

[Maljinwo]

Really, Trolls are just "savage Elves" anyways. They really should be massively important to the Horde.

You mean Elves are just "Malformed Trolls".
Also, having a different outlook on life and religion does not make you a savage.

At best, Night Elves would look savage to humans too. They live in a tree, they are not keen on using much technology, they are kind of fantaical about Elune...

[Aucald]

You mean Elves are just "Malformed Trolls".
Also, having a different outlook on life and religion does not make you a savage.

At best, Night Elves would look savage to humans too. They live in a tree, they are not keen on using much technology, they are kind of fantaical about Elune...

Living in open-air huts in loose collectives, indulging in cannibalism, and generally being xenophobic and hostile are typically considered hallmarks of relative savagery. But like the Night Elves, the Trolls once had a glorious empire that spanned the known world and was cosmopolitan, rife with political intrigue, and thick with elaborate customs. The Night Elves chose a simpler lifestyle after the tumult of the War of the Ancients and the Sundering, and the Trolls lost their empire to the Night Elves and splintered into two main city-states, with the remainder of their people clustered into disparate tribes that backslid into primitive and uncultured savagery.

It's easy to forget what the ancient societies of both the Trolls and the Night Elves must've been like - but Suramar and Zandalar serve as reminders that while the bulk of the Kaldorei and the far-flung Troll tribes might be seen as naturalistic or primitive, their legacy is that of highly-advanced empires.

[Friendlyimmolation]

How savage a troll is really seems to depend on two things. The first being their allies, and the second, and probably more important is their loa.

[Maljinwo]

Living in open-air huts in loose collectives, indulging in cannibalism, and generally being xenophobic and hostile are typically considered hallmarks of relative savagery.

Like the Night elves. Minus the cannibalism and huts.