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  1. #561
    Quote Originally Posted by reemi View Post
    I agree,

    I hope Blizzard will release Vanilla only, without any modification to the code.

    If Blizzard change 1 single thing, I'm sorry but you arent playing Vanilla.
    They need to change alot of things if they wanna earn some money,remember its all about money and we all know 90% of current vanilla fans wants to play free and nothing else.

  2. #562
    Blizzard deserves it for caving in, should had just leave that Nostawhateverfucker server was alone for the special 1% to play

    When Vanilla servers crash and burn, people will blame it on OMG NO QoL changes, no dual spec, etc etc.

    It's like crushing on that cute chic in high school, till you see her now old, fat and with 4 kids.

  3. #563
    Quote Originally Posted by reemi View Post
    I agree,

    I hope Blizzard will release Vanilla only, without any modification to the code.

    If Blizzard change 1 single thing, I'm sorry but you arent playing Vanilla.
    So you are ok with a server having a max population of 2500-3000 then?

  4. #564
    Quote Originally Posted by Mackeyser View Post
    ...just like Warriors HAD to tank
    Warriors were top dps until aq/naxx when mages pulled ahead
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  5. #565
    Quote Originally Posted by Temis View Post
    The people that are playing on private servers and have been fighting and asking for official legacy servers are not the same people asking for the "QOL" changes. If Classic servers are not as close to vanilla as possible these people will be disappointed and most likely and stay on the private servers.
    you are mistaken

    blizzard wont leave even a single pirate server out there to ensure succes of the game launch.

    people are naive if they think there will be even a single server out there left and not killed off.

  6. #566
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    Quote Originally Posted by Willhouse View Post
    They need to change alot of things if they wanna earn some money,remember its all about money and we all know 90% of current vanilla fans wants to play free and nothing else.
    there's no reason to let vanilla player to play free.

    But, you can reduce the monthly cost to something like 5$/month

    If it's free, they are going to lose money because people will leave retail for this.

  7. #567
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    Quote Originally Posted by pateuvasiliu View Post
    That's not why hybrid classes weren't in favor. It was that they only had one good spec, namely healing, in raids. And not everyone wants to play a healer.
    This strikes me as completely upside down way to look at things. In a trinity-based group game you need tanks, healers and dps. So every class should fall into one of those categories. But because there's also solo content in WoW, every class needs a dps spec for questing. That's why it is not at all "wrong" or surprising that you find "hybrid" classes healing—it's what they were designed to do in group content. If you want to do dps in group content, you should pick a dps class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daish View Post
    do you know what marketing is? when people spend money on "marketing" nothing to make the actual product better

    this is what Classic WoW servers is and nothing more its just money thrown into marketing there is zero chance they expect this to be a success
    To what do you attribute the apparent success of OSRS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kamuimac View Post
    you are mistaken

    blizzard wont leave even a single pirate server out there to ensure succes of the game launch.

    people are naive if they think there will be even a single server out there left and not killed off.
    this ties in to the frankenstein scenario - they put out a mutation of modern tuning and pacing, in a classic-themed skin, and at the same time do a lot more to shut down the more-authentic classic servers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by getupkid55 View Post
    We already have a fixed Vanilla... it's called Legion.
    No, we don't.

    Modern WoW fixed many problems but created a lot, after ToC in WOTLK you could even say WoW forked away from the original design.
    Content drought is a combination of catchup mechanics and no new content.

  10. #570
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    I could honestly live with either or. Some changes would actually help the game if they are done right, but as some one who's been playing vanilla for a while now I'm just as glad if they relse the game as it was. the experience is still fun.

    I think most of the people asking for changes are the "converted" vanilla supporters who originally didn't like the idea but eventually got on board with it. Or people who didn't play it for that long, or at all.

  11. #571
    Quote Originally Posted by Leperix View Post
    This strikes me as completely upside down way to look at things. In a trinity-based group game you need tanks, healers and dps. So every class should fall into one of those categories. But because there's also solo content in WoW, every class needs a dps spec for questing. That's why it is not at all "wrong" or surprising that you find "hybrid" classes healing—it's what they were designed to do in group content. If you want to do dps in group content, you should pick a dps class.
    Okay so what if I also want to PvP or PvE farm as a healer? I'd have to change my spec every time. This is not good. People don't want to waste their money ( because gold = money ) on endless changes. With dual spec it's a ONE TIME buy ( a huge one, 1000g is more than anyone will spend on respecs ) but it gives you the luxury of changing spec over and over. The amount of grind/money farmed stays the same or even goes up for players ( because as I said, I barely spent 100g on respecs in a year ) but dual spec allows you to PvP or farm.

  12. #572
    I worked for Blizzard from 2005 to 2012.

    I can't wait to hear all my friends complaining about how they put so much time into Vanilla and nobody is playing because that version of the game sucked.

  13. #573
    I actually hope they do patch cycles in line with (albeit slightly narrowed) with the original launch. No Naxx or AQ gates as the server opens.

  14. #574
    Quote Originally Posted by tehdef View Post
    I actually hope they do patch cycles in line with (albeit slightly narrowed) with the original launch. No Naxx or AQ gates as the server opens.
    I'm certain that's the plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pateuvasiliu View Post
    Okay so what if I also want to PvP or PvE farm as a healer? I'd have to change my spec every time.
    You cannot have everything, you need to choose what you specialize in. That is good and one of the strengths of vanilla compared to retail where everyone gets everything. You can build a healing spec that works both in PvE and PvP, but won't be optimal in either. Or you roll another character. Or you suck it up and pay the respec costs, or design your playing in a way that minimizes the number of respecs.

    People don't want to waste their money ( because gold = money ) on endless changes.
    The whole point is that people should not be doing endless changes. So the system is working exactly as intended, preventing respeccing and making people choose and specialize. If you like the style where you can change specs on a whim, then play retail.

  16. #576
    Only the new people coming into the fold wants changes. The original people who cried out for legacy want it exactly as it was with no changes. I pray that's what we get, absolutely no changes.

    People these days have an amazing ability to fail to comprehend what all these small changes over time in WoW caused, and how reverting them (OH NO DON'T TAKE AWAY MY QUALITY OF LIFE BLIZZZ IMACRY) would actually make the game more immersive.

    MMORPG's are built upon the foundation of socialism, and are the *ONLY* genre that can deliver a social experience on this scale and current WoW over the years has stepped so far away from this GENRE that I don't even consider it an MMORPG anymore. I can't wait for people to get to experience a TRUE MMORPG, be it they have just forgotten, or new players who never played vanilla. I won't at all be surprised with how well it's going to do when it comes out, and all these people who think it's going to fail are going to be in for a rude awakening.

    Of course it's fine if you don't like it, but the majority of WoW players played during this golden era pre-cataclysm and classic WoW is targeted towards those old players, that different demographic, not the current players of WoW because they're fundamentally a different demographic because of how current WoW plays.

  17. #577
    Quote Originally Posted by Onikaroshi View Post
    Only reason I'm even going to bother with it is because my GF wants to play, I for one do not see Vanilla with rose tinted glasses, it was great for the time but had big issues:

    1. Non-pure classes being shoehorned into roles (Warriors only tanks, priest only heal, etc) with their OS being useless for the most part in PvE
    - Nothing wrong with this, balance wasnt the best, but ask any spec low on the mythic raid logs/sims - it isnt any better today.

    Quote Originally Posted by Onikaroshi View Post
    2. Pure classes having one, or at most, two of their specs being useful, you couldn't even PLAY fire mage because a lot of mobs back then were fire immune.
    There is no dual spec, so you make a class "bound" to that spec. And there was just +40 fire restist on the mobs, it could easily be negated with some spell penetration.

    Quote Originally Posted by Onikaroshi View Post
    3. Raiding is something I really enjoy in the game, and while raiding back then was great for the time, I'm not going to pretend like it hasn't improved 100 fold, most bosses had 2 mechanics and their way of being difficult was "how hard can i hit the tank"
    Just look through the vanilla bosses, not a single one has only 2 abilites.
    Your idea of every fight being tank and spank is as bad as ur attitude towards your girlfriend.

    Quote Originally Posted by Onikaroshi View Post
    4. 40 man raiding, doable with servers of people excited for a new game, and plenty of time, not so doable with fragmented communities all wanting to run their own 40 man raid. And don't get me started on raid length, 40 people with time to even COMPLETE a vanilla raid? Not happening.
    This is the main fun and difficulty, time on the other hand is constant. You always get another minute after the current.

    Quote Originally Posted by Onikaroshi View Post
    5. Leveling was HORRIBLE. I know its an "important part of an RPG" but leveling is my least favorite part of any of it, and vanilla had it the worst. Run out of quests and grind happened more often then not, I had 6 60s already, not doing it again.

    So yea, i'll fart around on it, but damn, only those who hardcore love vanilla's problems are going to be sticking around.
    "Leveling was HORRIBLE" - Just so wrong on every level, only you hated it.
    But it was glorious, magnificent and maybe the best experience WoW ever offered.

  18. #578
    Quote Originally Posted by Leperix View Post
    You cannot have everything, you need to choose what you specialize in. That is good and one of the strengths of vanilla compared to retail
    No, it's not. If you have to level another char to 60 just to farm gold it's a shit design.

    The whole point is that people should not be doing endless changes
    They aren't pointless, wanting to enjoy both PvE and PvP is perfectly normal.

    So the system is working exactly as intended, preventing respeccing
    It's a bad system.

    Annoying =/= difficulty

    Vanilla wasn't great because of how badly designed it was.

    play retail
    Yeah, no. I like Vanilla because of reasons that have nothing to do with how shitty designed it was.

  19. #579
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    Quote Originally Posted by pateuvasiliu View Post
    Yeah, no. I like Vanilla because of reasons that have nothing to do with how shitty designed it was.
    It's clear you do not like vanilla, and you should not play WoW Classic. You should stick with retail.

  20. #580
    Quote Originally Posted by Teevo View Post
    Give these people a gold bar and they'll complain that it's heavy.
    Ain't that the truth!

    People asking for Dual-spec, but not for a QoL change, oh no... lol

    I think Blizzard will do a true vanilla server, no Blizz-like easy mode, but straight up shit-fest to prove the original statement "You think you do, but you don't"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daffan View Post
    No, we don't.

    Modern WoW fixed many problems but created a lot, after ToC in WOTLK you could even say WoW forked away from the original design.
    It forked to the profit path, not the dying game path.
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