With all the sexual assault accusations...

[Darknessvamp]

You do....

When you mean evidence are you counting a person saying they've been sexually harassed and tweeting a hashtag to the same effect?

[Allybeboba]

When you mean evidence are you counting a person saying they've been sexually harassed and tweeting a hashtag to the same effect?

Mob mentality is all the “evidence” many need. We have witnessed on this site plenty of times.

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It only affects the career if there's evidence

Martin Timell, Swedish television celebrity lost his job and is basically the target of a witch hunt due to nothing but accusations:
https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/m...att-fly-landet

The TV4 profile Martin Timell is a police suspect suspected of rape that has occurred during a work party in 2008. He has denied all allegations of rape and sexual harassment directed against him and, according to his lawyer Hanna Lindblom, will not admit anything .

Timell himself calls the report about him "a witch hunt".

"I've been chased around the clock for four weeks. They chase me on the street. I've fled the country. And I have a family. What the hell do you think it's like", he says to SVT News.

- Oh my God. I'm a carpenter. I have not murdered anyone. I have not done anything that is completely despicable, like stabbing someone or anything else. I am accused of something that happened ten years ago. I can't be this important, says Martin Timell to SVT News.

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Martin Timell, Swedish television celebrity lost his job and is basically the target of a witch hunt due to nothing but accusations:
https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/m...att-fly-landet

Was he found innocent?

[Laerrus]

CK DID come forward and admitted to EVERYTHING he was accused of. He was still raked over the coals.

Sidebar: I don't get CK's deal. He never initiated sex, he never tried to grope or copying a feel, he just had this bizarre obsession with getting people to watch him masturbate. What the fuck? Why and how is that arousing to him??

CK also asked permission and received consent. This is more a case of his accusers reneg'ing on the terms of the agreement long after it had completed.

Personally I don't think he did anything wrong.

I'd like to know what ulterior motive that they had for bringing this to light. Jealousy over the success of his career? Did they originally think they would enjoy watching him masturbating and then became grossed out after it was underway?

Somewhere in there was an opportunity to make a good joke for their standup routines, instead they chose to destroy the man's career. Utter bullshit.

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Was he found innocent?

He hasn't been trialed yet, but people don't seem to care. The only "evidence" there is, is the victim's word against his, of something that happened ten years ago.

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He hasn't been trialed yet, but people don't seem to care. The only "evidence" there is, is the victim's word against his, of something that happened ten years ago.

Well until the trial is over its impossible to say whether his career is over

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Was he found guilty?

Innocent until proven guilty remember? That sentiment hasn't been true for quite some time now.

He hasn't being proved either yet... I suspect if he's innocent he will survive

[Independent voter]

...don't you think the ones who are guilty would see it coming and like... think of coming forward with a public apology or something to soften the blow?

It seems like they are all hoping their victims would never speak up and they'll just get away with it. If I was in their situation I feel like I would be so fucking scared of getting accused I would just come forward and try to make it seem as decent as possible to save face.

What would you do?
Hope none of your victims speak up or come forward before they accuse you?

Or kill them all while it's still time?

Harvey Weinstein's company paid several women over a million dollars each for hush money as long as they would sign an NDA, non disclosure agreement. It got so bad that before his company would pay the hush money they would fine Harvey $250,000.

But that didn't work in the long term.

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Well until the trial is over its impossible to say whether his career is over

Not entirely, since the television firm he worked for already ended all contact with him, even though he's been the lead of the show "äntligen hemma" (finally home) since 1997. Twenty years of working on that series and it all ends from a simple accusation.

[Swalload]

Harvey Weinstein's company paid several women over a million dollars each for hush money as long as they would sign an NDA, non disclosure agreement. It got so bad that before his company would pay the hush money they would fine Harvey $250,000.

But that didn't work in the long term.

Yeah I know, there's a paragraph in his contract where he has to agree to give money for every time he gets reported for sexual harassment and shit like that and it goes up for every following times cuz they already knew he was a sex offender.

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Not entirely, since the television firm he worked for already ended all contact with him, even though he's been the lead of the show "äntligen hemma" (finally home) since 1997. Twenty years of working on that series and it all ends from a simple accusation.

And if innocent he will likely receive an apology and find work again in TV

[Hyxi]

CK also asked permission and received consent. This is more a case of his accusers reneg'ing on the terms of the agreement long after it had completed.

Personally I don't think he did anything wrong.

I'd like to know what ulterior motive that they had for bringing this to light. Jealousy over the success of his career? Did they originally think they would enjoy watching him masturbating and then became grossed out after it was underway?

Somewhere in there was an opportunity to make a good joke for their standup routines, instead they chose to destroy the man's career. Utter bullshit.

CK believes he did something wrong and explained why it was wrong in his own apology letter. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

In at least one case he asked, they laughed thinking it was a joke and he did it anyway so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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And if innocent he will likely receive an apology and find work again in TV

Maybe, maybe not. But your original comment was:
"It only affects the career if there's evidence "

What evidence could there possibly be in a case which, even if it did happen, happened 10 years ago? All the police has is the word of the victim, there are no recordings, no witnesses, no dna samples. And at this point even if he is found innocent, I doubt he will ever be looked upon the same by people ever again. His show is probably forfeit regardless of the outcome.

[Swalload]

Maybe, maybe not. But your original comment was:
"It only affects the career if there's evidence "

What evidence could there possibly be in a case which, even if it did happen, happened 10 years ago? All the police has is the word of the victim, there are no recordings, no witnesses, no dna samples. And at this point even if he is found innocent, I doubt he will ever be looked upon the same by people ever again. His show is probably forfeit regardless of the outcome.

Yeah, the facts are kind of gone, I mean if a group of girls band together and make up stories they all agree on, they can come out and destroy someone who did nothing at all. That's how crazy this has become.

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Maybe, maybe not. But your original comment was:
"It only affects the career if there's evidence "

What evidence could there possibly be in a case which, even if it did happen, happened 10 years ago? All the police has is the word of the victim, there are no recordings, no witnesses, no dna samples. And at this point even if he is found innocent, I doubt he will ever be looked upon the same by people ever again. His show is probably forfeit regardless of the outcome.

Well there's obviously enough evidence for a trial.... You don't get arrested and sent to court with ZERO evidence

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Yeah, the facts are kind of gone, I mean if a group of girls band together and make up stories they all agree on, they can come out and destroy someone who did nothing at all. That's how crazy this has become.

Evidence is still required for a trial

[Riistov]

I feel like at this point anybody could accuse anyone to mess up their career.

The only people who've had their careers "messed up" are people with a long list of sexual predatory behavior. None of these are cases of one-off, accusations or he said/she said types of events.

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People keep ignoring the important fact that accusations alone isn't enough for a trial... That's why rape is difficult to prove.

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So you admit and are fine with guilty until proven innocent.

Yes if there's enough evidence to warrant a court I will certainly think he's possibly guilty

[Souflikar]

You have Donald Trump to thank that for with his "grab them by the pussy" philosophy.

No, you have a bunch of feminist, SJW'S and PC assholes being too sensitive these days.

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No, you have a bunch of feminist, SJW'S and PC assholes being too sensitive these days.

I don't really see how that relates to people guilty of sexual assault

[Thelxi]

I think the response to these men admitting to this kind of harassment is unbelievably idiotic. All this will do is punish the remorseful guys and utterly discourage all others from showing remorse, apologizing, seeking help or whatever. Kevin Spacey for example ruined his career all because he responded. Had he ignored that one guy he would still be working and making millions. I assume all actual predators out there have taken good notice of that. It really is ridiculous. All I see is people that want to feel morally superior and righteous, not caring about actual harassment or improving the situation.