Paid health care is literally insane.

[Adam Jensen]

We should just force doctors to work for free?

Do doctors in Canada work for free?

[Ghostpanther]

Where is healthcare costing me thousands. My effective rate is about $50 a month thru my employer. Vision and Dental included.

You are but one of hundreds of millions of citizens in the US. You are very lucky to have affordable insurance. Many do not.

[Cyi]

Hmmm, my wife is a RN at a local hospital and we have insurance through them, but we still pay $720.

Without her benefits we would be paying over $1400 for Her, me and my son. Im starting to get a tingle, and not in a good place!

Then you're being ripped off, not telling us everything or have a bunch of pre-existing conditions. I mean, working for a hospital should net you very good insurance at a really good price. I pay $270 a month for my wife and I and that is mainly because she is in the child making years.

[Cruor]

Why do Americans make people pay thousands of dollars for health care still? It doesn't make any moral or logical sense.

You are the insane one. I am 37, the last time I was in a hospital was when I was born. I have the minimum health provider through my company. IF I get sick or hurt, I can pay for it. Why the HELL would I want to pay more in taxes to pay for other peoples health care? I couldn't care less about people I don't know.
Here is a fair health care plan: If you get sick or hurt, pay for the care. If you can't, tough shit. Your problems are YOUR problems, it shouldn't be up to others. If you don't like that, set up a charity, but don't tax me.

[Wildtree]

I'm amused by those that yell how they don't wanna pay for other people's health care...
Dumbasses.. That's exactly how your Social Security functions. Everyone pays in, so you get to cash out once you retire.
And the similar principle is socialized health care. You get health insurance for the case that you fall ill/sick.
Unless you are of the lucky 5% of the population that's multi-millionaires or richer, you're fucked if something serious happens to you.
Cranking up a million dollars or more on medical expenses is faster done than you think.
And for all those reasons it's absolutely legit to make insurance both a right and mandatory.
Besides that...
The current system skyrockets the costs, because people that are not insured are still treated, and must be treated. They're causing immense expenses.
Then the unchecked rampant medication prices. Treatment fees that are beyond highway robbery...
Even more reasons to have everyone insured, and create oversight and pay caps on everything.
Hospitals won't have to charge you $25.00 for an Aspirin anymore if they don't have to somehow cover the overhead caused by under- or not insured.
But, of course, that would require common sense, a look beyond ones own borders, or 2 functional brain cells that operate with minimum intelligence.

[Ghostpanther]

We technically have some free healthcare, and it's free for the disabled and elderly and very poor, it's just that insurance companies have tricked the American populace into thinking we just let people die in the streets so that they have lower premiums, and then if we go to universal healthcare, or medicare for all, that THEY will be the ones dying in the streets.

It's a combination of a lack of empathy and fear... which hey what do you know is whats behind literally all human suffering.

Depends on how much they are disabled, their reasons why and income. Same for the elderly. The poor have to be very poor for no costs to be involved for them.

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You are the insane one. I am 37, the last time I was in a hospital was when I was born. I have the minimum health provider through my company. IF I get sick or hurt, I can pay for it. Why the HELL would I want to pay more in taxes to pay for other peoples health care? I couldn't care less about people I don't know.
Here is a fair health care plan: If you get sick or hurt, pay for the care. If you can't, tough shit. Your problems are YOUR problems, it shouldn't be up to others. If you don't like that, set up a charity, but don't tax me.

Because you care about others? Besides, you pay taxes in many other ways to help others. It is called being a part of society.

[Trollhammer]

Anti America thread.. Still open.. Weird.

I pay for my Healthcare in Norway..

[Cruor]

I'm amused by those that yell how they don't wanna pay for other people's health care...
Dumbasses.. That's exactly how your Social Security functions. Everyone pays in, so you get to cash out once you retire.
And the similar principle is socialized health care. You get health insurance for the case that you fall ill/sick.
Unless you are of the lucky 5% of the population that's multi-millionaires or richer, you're fucked if something serious happens to you.
Cranking up a million dollars or more on medical expenses is faster done than you think.
And for all those reasons it's absolutely legit to make insurance both a right and mandatory.
Besides that...
The current system skyrockets the costs, because people that are not insured are still treated, and must be treated. They're causing immense expenses.
Then the unchecked rampant medication prices. Treatment fees that are beyond highway robbery...
Even more reasons to have everyone insured, and create oversight and pay caps on everything.
Hospitals won't have to charge you $25.00 for an Aspirin anymore if they don't have to somehow cover the overhead caused by under- or not insured.
But, of course, that would require common sense, a look beyond ones own borders, or 2 functional brain cells that operate with minimum intelligence.

Maybe if you had 2 functional brain cells you could earn enough to pay for your own problems. I don't want to pay for others. I don't want to pay "IF" I get sick. I can pay if and when I do. Or I die. I would eliminate social security. You have 40-50 years of working to save up for retirement. If you can't dve in that amount of time, or have family to help you, then tough shit. Shouldn't be my problem.

[Wildtree]

Because you care about others? Besides, you pay taxes in many other ways to help others. It is called being a part of society.

He actually doesn't even pay for others. He pays for himself.
Because eventually he will need medical attention. Sooner or later everyone does. Definitely later. And then it becomes expensive.

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Maybe if you had 2 functional brain cells you could earn enough to pay for your own problems. I don't want to pay for others. I don't want to pay "IF" I get sick. I can pay if and when I do. Or I die. I would eliminate social security. You have 40-50 years of working to save up for retirement. If you can't dve in that amount of time, or have family to help you, then tough shit. Shouldn't be my problem.

you pay for yourself not for others.
Do the math..
Say you pay 200 a month health insurance.. That is 2400 in a year... 24.000 in 10 years. 96.000 in 40 years.
Do you know how fast you have used that up?
I've had an episode of an acute pancreatitis last year. I seen the bill.. $45.000.. only 3 days in the hospital, gall bladder removed, a few tests..
Now imagine your heart would give in.. or you're a guy, right? High probability your colon or/and prostate will cause you problems down the road.

[Ghostpanther]

He actually doesn't even pay for others. He pays for himself.
Because eventually he will need medical attention. Sooner or later everyone does. Definitely later. And then it becomes expensive.

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He pays into Social Security. He also pays road tax. And I could go on and on. But I do agree with your assessment.

[Cruor]

Depends on how much they are disabled, their reasons why and income. Same for the elderly. The poor have to be very poor for no costs to be involved for them.

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Because you care about others? Besides, you pay taxes in many other ways to help others. It is called being a part of society.

I *don't* care about others. I freely admit to that. I care about my immediate family and some friends, all of whom can take care of themselves. We need police and firemen, and roads in good condition, etc. Some people, like me don't need health care so why should I pay for it? Like I said If/When I get sick or hurt it should be on me to pay for it.

[Kelathos]

We Americans face bankrupting prices ($12,000 for 6 hours in ER) because we're scared of taxes. So instead of being properly covered and given decent prices, we'd rather face lack of healthcare and/or randomly losing everything we spent our entire lives working towards.

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We Americans face bankrupting prices ($12,000 for 6 hours in ER) because we're scared of taxes. So instead of being properly covered and given decent prices, we'd rather face lack of healthcare and/or randomly losing everything we spent our entire lives working towards.

Probably because you are paying your medical staff stupid amounts of money:

US:
Doctors' earnings ranged from about $156,000 a year for pediatricians to about $315,000 for radiologists and orthopedic surgeons. The highest earners — orthopedic surgeons and radiologists — were the same as last year, followed by cardiologists who earned $314,000 and anesthesiologists who made $309,000

Netherlands:
A fresh university graduate with a degree in Medicine and Surgery earns € 4, 500- € 6,200 per monthly's resident doctor earns€ 6,000- € 8,300 per month while a specialist doctor takes home € 74,316- € 130,200 per annum

[Ghostpanther]

I *don't* care about others. I freely admit to that. I care about my immediate family and some friends, all of whom can take care of themselves. We need police and firemen, and roads in good condition, etc. Some people, like me don't need health care so why should I pay for it? Like I said If/When I get sick or hurt it should be on me to pay for it.

At least you are honest. And you do not feel like you need it now. But if something happens and you have a major health issue, you would feel different. Unless you have insurance which covers any catastrophic over say, 5000, 10000, 15000, etc. But that amount can bankrupt some because they may not have as good a paying job as you do. Without Social Security, a lot of people would be in very poor shape when they reached the age when they had to retire. With some, it is the only way they can even come close to surviving and having any degree of independence.

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I *don't* care about others. I freely admit to that. I care about my immediate family and some friends, all of whom can take care of themselves. We need police and firemen, and roads in good condition, etc. Some people, like me don't need health care so why should I pay for it? Like I said If/When I get sick or hurt it should be on me to pay for it.

I feel the same, I don't give a shit about other people outside of my friends and family.
But the truth is that paying 140 euro (where I live) a month for the rest of my life (50 years) is 84.000 euro.
If I get proper sick once in those 50 years i'd be spending A LOT more in medical costs.

I am not paying for others, I am paying for my self.

[Cruor]

At least you are honest. And you do not feel like you need it now. But if something happens and you have a major health issue, you would feel different. Unless you have insurance which covers any catastrophic over say, 5000, 10000, 15000, etc. But that amount can bankrupt some because they may not have as good a paying job as you do. Without Social Security, a lot of people would be in very poor shape when they reached the age when they had to retire. With some, it is the only way they can even come close to surviving and having any degree of independence.

Everyone has their lot in life. I earned where I am, nobody gave it to me. I am not rich, but I have a good job that pays well and has a health plan. I envy people who have 20/20 eyesight, or do 1 situp and have six pack abs. I'm sure people who are poor envy people with a good job, but maybe they have those eyes with 20/20 vision that i dream of.

[Ghostpanther]

I feel the same, I don't give a shit about other people outside of my friends and family.
But the truth is that paying 140 euro (where I live) a month for the rest of my life (50 years) is 84.000 euro.
If I get proper sick once in those 50 years i'd be spending A LOT more in medical costs.

I am not paying for others, I am paying for my self.

And if you do not get sick and need it, you get it back when you are about to die?

[Deleted]

And if you do not get sick and need it, you get it back when you are about to die?

No. But its the same if I use 240.000 instead of the 84.000. I don't have to pay the difference.

[Ghostpanther]

Everyone has their lot in life. I earned where I am, nobody gave it to me. I am not rich, but I have a good job that pays well and has a health plan. I envy people who have 20/20 eyesight, or do 1 situp and have six pack abs. I'm sure people who are poor envy people with a good job, but maybe they have those eyes with 20/20 vision that i dream of.

I understand. I am not complaining about health costs so much in the US because of my own situation. I have a good income, was born into a poor migrant farm working family, worked hard and made sacrifices when I was young and working. I enjoy a very comfortable retirement now because of those sacrifices. But I do care about others and understand the health care costs in the US is out of control and something needs to be done about it for those less fortunate and the future generation.

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No. But its the same if I use 240.000 instead of the 84.000. I don't have to pay the difference.

But you are paying into a system which benefits others also, from your contributions.

[Deleted]

I understand. I am not complaining about health costs so much in the US because of my own situation. I have a good income, was born into a poor migrant farm working family, worked hard and made sacrifices when I was young and working. I enjoy a very comfortable retirement now because of those sacrifices. But I do care about others and understand the health care costs in the US is out of control and something needs to be done about it for those less fortunate and the future generation.

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But you are paying into a system which benefits others also, from your contributions.

I guess that is true, but in the end you are making a gamble that something might happen to you and if it does you are covered for whatever you need.
And the chance of you needing medical care at some point in your life is quite big.

I don't see how this can be a bad thing tbh.
I am 31 years old I've been paying 140 euro a month since I was 18 so thats 22.000. I've used a good portion of that on dentist visits already, got 2 root canals & 8 fillings (family has bad teeth).
I've been in the hospital for a week after an accident with 3 weeks off work that are paid for as well.

I've already gotten more out of it then I put in and I probably will over the span of my lifetime.