How Classic Must Be

[WhiteEagle888]

-Patch 1.12.2 - The last patch before BC

-No QoL additions

-No Class balance changes

-Only bug fixes

-Nothing else

-Preserve that patch exactly as it was. No additions. No subtractions.


Also no BC servers. Server(s) exist as an alternative to live.
You pay the same sub and can choose which one to play on each time you log in.

[Divinexve]

I agree but there are so many whiny children these days that they will prob add a ton of qol shit

[Deleted]

Vanilla in 1.12 was a much different game in terms of difficulty and play style when compared to earlier patches. 1.12 talents and all the nerfs made throughout vanilla patch cycle, made earlier content really easy by the time of 1.12 patch.

If classic servers release in 1.12 patch, the game will be painfully easy and not an authentic classic experience due to all the nerfs made in the previous patches and catch up mechanics implemented.

Think about it this way. Imagine Legion was launching tomorrow but instead of starting in patch 7.0 it would start on patch 7.3 with all it's catch up gear mechanics, buffs/improvements to specs, and ridiculous AP and Concordance from the get go. All content prior to 7.3 would be watered down, irrelevant and unbelievably easy due to all the catch up mechanics and buffs. The exact same thing will happen if vanilla starts at patch 1.12

That's why I want classic servers to start in patch 1.1 with all the original terrible talent trees and specs, original awful itemisation, original pre-nerf raids and dungeons. Because that's the only way to preserve and provide and authentic challenging classic experience.

[babyback]

That sounds more like a private server than a Blizzard quality product. First of all early PVE encounters like dungeons and raids would be way too easy with 1.12 balance and talent trees. Second of all every piece of content would be unlocked from the beginning, I for one don't want to skip major chunks of content and race to Naxx right from the start.

Without gear you won’t be able to do Naxx. You’ll have to gear up via the earlier raids first.

[Trunksee]

That sounds more like a private server than a Blizzard quality product. First of all early PVE encounters like dungeons and raids would be way too easy with 1.12 balance and talent trees. Second of all every piece of content would be unlocked from the beginning, I for one don't want to skip major chunks of content and race to Naxx right from the start.

Agreed 1.12.1 was a joke compared to before it. Now i dont want 1.1 but 1.7 or 1.11 with the raids gated by time is more than enough.

[Lashab]

Patch 1.12.2 is Pre-BC and does not represent Vanilla at all... Do some research before you post nonsense please. Running 1.1.0 patch Molten Core with 1.12.2 patch... Ya right... Do you even know why Stratholme was 10 men dungeon when it was first released? And no, it was not nerfed...

[Mushkins]

I have a theory that these people who want 1.12 from start have played only on private servers.
If not 1.1 it must be at least 1.7.

[epLe]

Patch 1.12.2 is Pre-BC and does not represent Vanilla at all... Do some research before you post nonsense please. Running 1.1.0 patch Molten Core with 1.12.2 patch... Ya right... Do you even know why Stratholme was 10 men dungeon when it was first released? And no, it was not nerfed...

Pretty much this, 1.12 was the preparation patch for TBC.

The state of game in those prep patches are usually very unbalanced, as it just introduces some of the changes for upcoming expansion.
1.12 is the least viable (and representative) of all vanilla patches, but it would be a good start for a TBC server..

[Hey There Guys its Metro]

I have a theory that these people who want 1.12 from start are played only on private servers.

Of course they are. It was one patch that added essentially nothing and was out for like 4 months.

Ask the op why he wants it that way and laugh at the answer. If you wanted classic for real you would want the patches too.

[Zyky]

-Patch 1.12.2 - The last patch before BC

-No QoL additions

-No Class balance changes

-Only bug fixes

-Nothing else

-Preserve that patch exactly as it was. No additions. No subtractions.


Also no BC servers. Server(s) exist as an alternative to live.
You pay the same sub and can choose which one to play on each time you log in.

Got some news for you, if that's how they were going to do it, they would just copy the code and put the servers up next month. Obviously they aren't doing that, so there's going to be changes whether you(or any of the private server whiners) like it or not.

[Hey There Guys its Metro]

Pretty much this, 1.12 was the preparation patch for TBC.

The state of game in those prep patches are usually very unbalanced, as it just introduces some of the changes for upcoming expansion.
1.12 is the least viable (and representative) of all vanilla patches, but it would be a good start for a TBC server..

No that's 2.0. 1.12 was just the last patch of classic. Like 7.3.5.

[Deleted]

No fuckin static 1.12

Just a progressive server, starting with an early patch (battlegrounds added, for exp) with all the bugs fixed, nothing more

[Morbownz]

-Patch 1.12.2 - The last patch before BC

-No QoL additions

-No Class balance changes

-Only bug fixes

-Nothing else

-Preserve that patch exactly as it was. No additions. No subtractions.


Also no BC servers. Server(s) exist as an alternative to live.
You pay the same sub and can choose which one to play on each time you log in.

ZG was catch-up, you don't want to start a server with ZG up, you'll cut the lifespan down.

[WhiteEagle888]

ZG was catch-up, you don't want to start a server with ZG up, you'll cut the lifespan down.

There is no "life-span". Its a classic server locked in this patch. take it or leave it.

[sylenna]

There is no "life-span". Its a classic server locked in this patch. take it or leave it.

where would be the incentive to gear for t0.5 when you can have ZG gear?

also: you cannot make a build and have little checkboxes for everything you want fixed, incorporated or even functioning. you cannot, as a developer, just say that you want 1.12.2 without QoL changes already made in vanilla, forego class changes but keep bugfixes (some class changes were bugfixes, how do you want to proceed now?) with another checkbox someone prepared for you and then release that to the public. it is a little bit more complicated than that.

and you really want to start with an early patch like maraudon or battlegrounds to give people a few things they know and progress your classic server from there on. having a 1.12.2 server with naxx open from the get go would be pretty terrible..

[WhiteEagle888]

where would be the incentive to gear for t0.5 when you can have ZG gear?

also: you cannot make a build and have little checkboxes for everything you want fixed, incorporated or even functioning. you cannot, as a developer, just say that you want 1.12.2 without QoL changes already made in vanilla, forego class changes but keep bugfixes (some class changes were bugfixes, how do you want to proceed now?) with another checkbox someone prepared for you and then release that to the public. it is a little bit more complicated than that.

and you really want to start with an early patch like maraudon or battlegrounds to give people a few things they know and progress your classic server from there on. having a 1.12.2 server with naxx open from the get go would be pretty terrible..

you forget something: this is not live.
The whole purpose of this server is nostalgia. Mainly for the zones changed in cataclysm.
If you want progression guess what: play the actual game.

[Rurin]

1.12 is a QoL patch itself...

What's wrong with TBC servers?

[WhiteEagle888]

Got some news for you, if that's how they were going to do it, they would just copy the code and put the servers up next month. Obviously they aren't doing that, so there's going to be changes whether you(or any of the private server whiners) like it or not.

Got some news for you: they don't have the capacity to do that. maybe if you paid more attention to your cute little classic server fixation hobby you would know that blizz themselves said they don't have the tech for it anymore because they have no real backup of the old files.

so yeah.

and just FYI I could't care less about private servers. you got your pacifier now stop crying you vanilla baby.

[Hunterwep]

Crossrealm PvP sort of ruined the magic of getting to know your opponent and making it personal.
So I'd prefer an earlier patch.

Server Vs Server was an experience only to be had in Vanilla

[WhiteEagle888]

That sounds more like a private server than a Blizzard quality product. First of all early PVE encounters like dungeons and raids would be way too easy with 1.12 balance and talent trees. Second of all every piece of content would be unlocked from the beginning, I for one don't want to skip major chunks of content and race to Naxx right from the start.

you don't "skip content" don't imagine this to be a server they actually progress - you have live for that - provided you can understand the value of it of course.