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    I think we should have Demonic as its own spec. that way we could switch from AOE/ST depending on the fight. Specs would be Vengeance,Havoc,Demonic

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    healing ranged is ok !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nahela View Post
    Some sort of ranged spec that works with the scythe-wielding demon hunters would be neat, but honestly they've already got more specs in the game than they can handle
    If I was Blizz, I'd merge the Druid's Feral spec back into their other specs and drop them back down to 3 specs and then give DHs a ranged spec. This would get rid of 1 melee and add 1 ranged into the DPS pool. Something much needed in the game.
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    Would love a third spec, but won't happen anytime soon, if ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saverem View Post
    If I was Blizz, I'd merge the Druid's Feral spec back into their other specs and drop them back down to 3 specs and then give DHs a ranged spec. This would get rid of 1 melee and add 1 ranged into the DPS pool. Something much needed in the game.
    If I was Blizz, I would never do such thing as it was impossible to make those specs even remotely balanced. We would have another issue of Gladiator DPS-PROT Warrior that got scrambled pretty fast.

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    I don’t know about a third spec but it would be cool to be able to use a two hand glaive. I’m not feeling a healing spec at all either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Livonya View Post
    A healing spec would be nice to have though...I bet there are plenty of Demon style abilities already in the game that can be used for that...
    Better if a Naaru can change Illiadan from a Demon Hunter to a "Holy Hunter" who have golden holy tattoos, so can a Narru do to a player Demon Hunter. A "Holy Hunter" is a healing spec can have all "traditional" healing spells....thanks to that they are infused with holy light....

    I like classes that can choose tank/dps/healing... hence maximal variation.

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    blizz give runelord spec plox ty

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReD-EyeD View Post
    If I was Blizz, I would never do such thing as it was impossible to make those specs even remotely balanced. We would have another issue of Gladiator DPS-PROT Warrior that got scrambled pretty fast.
    What are you talking about?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saverem View Post
    What are you talking about?
    There's a whole set of issues there, with a long history to both the Druid and Warrior Class. To start with "Feral Combat" was the the Druid shapeshifting talent tree and included options for both Cat DPS and Bear Tank. Because of how the Talent Trees functioned back then, there was a lot of give and room to spend points as one liked. Even so called "optimal" specs would often have 2-5 spare talents that could be moved around the tree to taste. This led to "Bearcatting" or putting enough talents in both roles to be able to perform them well, while gaining the ability to switch to the other in mid combat, say when a tank wasn't actively tanking. This caused balance problems as it essentially allowed an extra DPS for significant portions of a fight, which could be huge in the 10 man raid scene of the time. This changed in MoP with the talent rework to the system we have today (specializations and talent tiers) where Guardian and Feral were split into two specializations, and any Bearcatting was moved to the talent tree where it could be more carefully tuned to appropriate levels (The "Affinity" talent tier if you're curious).

    Now, MoP also had a lot of experimentation with what was deemed the "emergency tank" role, basically Bearcatting in reverse. While Blizz kept trying to shoe horn it in, the community generally rejected the idea as counterproductive. Various tanking cooldowns on DPS warriors, the Demon Hunting glyph for Demo Warlocks, and Druid Guardian affinity (or whatever the old cooldowns were called at the time) were a few such examples. They were all removed in WoD as an unsuccessful experiment.

    In WoD there was a talent for Warriors galled Gladiator Stance (I think) that turned Prot warriors into a dps spec (and sometimes even the optimal one, it varied from patch to patch), but carried with it a lot of the old problems. Gladiator kept far too much of Protection's defensive abilities, even without Prot Stance and active mitigation they were an extremely durable dps spec that could take punishment not designed for the dps role. Gladiator was removed in Legion because it was again, too hard to balance.

    And all that is just the DPS/ Tank side of the equation. There'a a DPS/ Heal side of things as well.

    So TLDR: Having a single specialization that can perform two roles has caused way too many balance problems over the years, and it is unlikely that Blizz would revert changes meant to keep the roles distinct.
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    Nah if anything they'll take specs away from other classes to match DH's.... you do Ok with only 2 don't you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orloth View Post
    So TLDR: Having a single specialization that can perform two roles has caused way too many balance problems over the years, and it is unlikely that Blizz would revert changes meant to keep the roles distinct.
    I don't think it should perform 2 jobs. Druids don't need 4 different playstyles... They should bake the Feral abilities into the other 3 existing specs. Like giving the stealth ability to Moonkins, Sprint to Guardians, etc.

    Only issue I can't solve would be how to implement the actual cat form itself. Since there are so many cat forms and so much work time put into making those, would be weird to just get rid of the form outright.

    But as for Druid specs, yeah, Moonkin ranged DPS, Bear for tank, and tree/caster form for heals. That's it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saverem View Post
    What are you talking about?
    Sorry, should have shortened the quote. Was talking about merging feral and guardian into one spec back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saverem View Post
    I don't think it should perform 2 jobs. Druids don't need 4 different playstyles... They should bake the Feral abilities into the other 3 existing specs. Like giving the stealth ability to Moonkins, Sprint to Guardians, etc.

    Only issue I can't solve would be how to implement the actual cat form itself. Since there are so many cat forms and so much work time put into making those, would be weird to just get rid of the form outright.

    But as for Druid specs, yeah, Moonkin ranged DPS, Bear for tank, and tree/caster form for heals. That's it.
    K, but.... why again? We can get one more spec without taking it away from Druids. Balance between the number of ranged and melee specs seems an inconsequential point to my mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gravity2015 View Post
    would be cool to have bright blue eyes hidden under my bandana
    What? give me magma eyes

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    The problem with what some ppl are asking a hydrid of meele and ranged is that we would be in meele all the time, or we would lose dps while going from ranged to meele and the otherway around.
    the only thing i even think would be possible would be a spec similar to Disc priest but fel theamed. Like your would drain the life to use on party members.
    It could have some CD's like Fel ground instead of healing would reduce the damage of the affected by X% for a sort duration. Something like fel armour reduce damage on target by X% and stuff like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orloth View Post
    K, but.... why again? We can get one more spec without taking it away from Druids. Balance between the number of ranged and melee specs seems an inconsequential point to my mind.
    I agree with you! Why blizz needs to take from others?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orloth View Post
    K, but.... why again? We can get one more spec without taking it away from Druids. Balance between the number of ranged and melee specs seems an inconsequential point to my mind.
    I'm not looking at it from a gameplay/lore perspective, I'm looking at it from a game development perspective. 4 specs mean that there are 4 specs worth of time and resources from the WoW dev team required to put into the game.

    It's nothing personal against Druids, it's just that they're the only class with 4 specs, and if I were to trim the hedges, I'd start with them.

    Right now is actually a perfect time to do it since there are only like 3 people playing Feral.
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    I'm not seeing a game development reason to need to "trim the hedges" either. But ok, whatever, do your thing. In the meantime, this topic is about Demon Hunters, please?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cityleif View Post
    I think we should have Demonic as its own spec. that way we could switch from AOE/ST depending on the fight. Specs would be Vengeance,Havoc,Demonic
    I've been thinking about this lately. Given the option of completely changing our playstyle by just changing a couple of talents, I think it would be reasonable to have those 2 playstyle separated into 2 specs. In fact, due to the demonic build's nature, that spec could be more "unleashing the inner demon's power"-ish oriented, whereas the second one (chaos blades) could be a "use the inner demon in your favor and controlling it's power" spec.

    All in all, this is all speculation and it's not our decision but the devs, so let's leave the balancing and creating on their hands.

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    I would prefer converted Warden hybrid that threw glaives and fel magic instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenstalons View Post
    With the current theme of light and shadow, I think it would be awesome to have an Archangel build. Think of Retribution Paladin crossed with a Discipline Priest.
    TBC Shockadin says hi!
    A searing light DH would now make sense after Antorus, since Illidan has left the DH ranks headless. Maybe some Naaru would fill that spot and the light could give a new sense of purpose to DHs who would seek more power. Makes more sense if you think of the cleansed Natherzim dude and the fact that Illidan was almost infused with the Light previously, before killing that Naaru. Holy light DH makes even more sense since in certain cases we have seen beings infused both with light and fel. And the Inquisitor name, mentioned in previous posts fits this role, since heh, we have seen many human torturers that master the light, in the Scarlet Crusade ranks. So why not half-demon half-elf powerdrunk beings, that sacrifise anyting in the name of power?

    Quote Originally Posted by elfporn View Post
    There was already a thread about this recently. It centered on a third DH spec and the possibility of it being a Void Hunter archetype, based on the class center piece of "Fight fire with fire." As well as the direction that the bad guys are starting to lean towards - the Shadow Lords and Old Gods are finally coming to the fore. Also, Alleria and her training as a Void Hunter is a huge bit of foreshadowing on blizzard's part.
    Nah makes no sense, you already got a faction for that. Since all DHs do is to protect at all costs, they should get burned by the light that is the natural foe of the void, and not use the void.

    Sounds too much, mixing the void with fel.
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