It's WAR Species 8472 vs The Borg

[King Shark]

Correct but they do show the capacity to negotiate to come up with solutions and problem solve, 8472 didn't again everyone everything might have a weakness. I mean the Klingons freaking planet exploded, yes they bounced back.

Doesn't make them any more or less of a threat, especially not everyone, again I am going as strictly by the rules as they are being laid out even without STO as being Canon, the Borg Still survived.

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Well you seem to be forgetting something without the borg Voyager and the Feds would have fared much worse considering 8472 was going to purge everyone, so let's not be so quick to suggest one didn't need the other.

Sure they could have sat by let the Borg be beat back and maybe destroyed, which didn't happen, the question was without the Borg Technology The Feds wouldn't have been in a good position either.

Then in reality, this isn't The Borg vs. 8472, it's The Milky Way Galaxy vs. 8472, because The Borg simply would not have survived without Voyager's help. The Borg by themselves would have been exterminated by them.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Then in reality, this isn't The Borg vs. 8472, it's The Milky Way Galaxy vs. 8472, because The Borg simply would not have survived without Voyager's help. The Borg by themselves would have been exterminated by them.

Not if they assimilated humanity. It went the way it did and The Borg prevailed. By the way I enjoy your swearing

[endersblade]

I'm not a ST nerd, and had to look up what Species 8472 even was. After a quick read, they win by a landslide. The only thing that saved The Borg was Plot Armor Janeway. If it was purely left to just Species 8472 and The Borg without outside Plot Armor, The Borg would most assuredly be extinct by now. It wouldn't matter if The Borg assimilated the entirety of Humanity, it would just be a matter of time when you have no offense OR defense against your enemy.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Very true, it was this line of reasoning Janeway used to justify helping the Borg, that 8472 "probably" would be a threat too great to handle, however I'm inclined to think the Federation would rise to the occasion and beat them too. They'd take casualties though, so good on Janeway for sparing federation lives.



Hah, never bring up 40K, it's unfair to everyone else

Well True The Federation are resilient also the coming together was a factor. The enemy of me enemy thing.

[Deleted]

Not if they assimilated humanity. It went the way it did and The Borg prevailed. By the way I enjoy your swearing

The Doctor was ordered to delete himself if Voyager was assimilated and he was the only one that could replicate the nanoprobes needed, you cannot credit the Borg with anything more than firing a few torpedoes that Voyager supplied them. Crediting the Borg as the victors is like crediting Italy with winning WW2 just because they switched sides when losing.

[Doctor Amadeus]

I'm not a ST nerd, and had to look up what Species 8472 even was. After a quick read, they win by a landslide. The only thing that saved The Borg was Plot Armor Janeway. If it was purely left to just Species 8472 and The Borg without outside Plot Armor, The Borg would most assuredly be extinct by now. It wouldn't matter if The Borg assimilated the entirety of Humanity, it would just be a matter of time when you have no offense OR defense against your enemy.

You do know the The Borg make it to the 29th century according to Voy right?

[Deleted]

You do know the The Borg make it to the 29th century according to Voy right?

What episode is that mentioned?

[Doctor Amadeus]

The Doctor was ordered to delete himself if Voyager was assimilated and he was the only one that could replicate the nanoprobes needed, you cannot credit the Borg with anything more than firing a few torpedoes that Voyager supplied them. Crediting the Borg as the victors is like crediting Italy with winning WW2 just because they switched sides when losing.

It were the borgs weapons he modified. The Borg were made to win what do you think the feds would do up against 8472?

[Grimbold21]

I mean, I'm not a ST fan by any measure, but going by the wiki, your topic is a non-question.

Species 8472 was winning comfortably and close to eliminating the Borg entirely. They weren't because of the intervention of another species.

[Doctor Amadeus]

What episode is that mentioned?

It was that Episode with one in it. And the last voyager that is where Janeway got the special armor plating to deal with 24th century Borg.

[Deleted]

It were the borgs weapons he modified. The Borg were made to win what do you think the feds would do up against 8472?

8472 set up a top secret base in order to learn about and infiltrate Starfleet, they would more scared of the Federation than they were of the borg.

[Doctor Amadeus]

I mean, I'm not a ST fan by any measure, but going by the wiki, your topic is a non-question.

Species 8472 was winning comfortably and close to eliminating the Borg entirely. They weren't because of the intervention of another species.

Which species came to whom for protection? I rest my case.

[Deleted]

It was that Episode with one in it. And the last voyager that is where Janeway got the special armor plating to deal with 24th century Borg.

One was not from the future, he was fused with the Docs mobile emitter which was 29th century tech, not once were future Borg mentioned.

[Doctor Amadeus]

8472 set up a top secret base in order to learn about and infiltrate Starfleet, they would more scared of the Federation than they were of the borg.

They represented a different kind of threat.

[Shiny212]

You do know the The Borg make it to the 29th century according to Voy right?

That's entirely irrelevant though. Of course the Borg are still alive, Voyager rescued them. Voyager isn't rescuing them in this hypothetical you've designed.

[Ehrenpanzer]

It's not even certain that STO is a part of the live action canon. Especially since they've added elements from the Kelvin Timeline, throwing shit for a loop.

"The Star Trek canon is generally defined as all live-action television series and feature films released by Paramount Pictures. With the release of Star Trek: The Animated Series on DVD, the studio appears to have changed its stance, and is now listing the cartoon series (aired 1973–1974), as a part of established canon.

A large body of licensed Star Trek works exists that, while approved for publication by Paramount, are not considered part of Star Trek canon. This includes novels, comics, games, and older reference books such as the Star Fleet Technical Manual."4


Don't confuse my vulgarity as a reflection of my mood. I'm a sailor, I cuss like one. I'm happy as a pig in fucking shit right now. So the ad hominem is rolling right off my back with a hearty fucking chuckle.

And on topic: Germany hasn't glassed entire planets, nor do they have the technology to do so. Come back to me when they do. The Borg got saved by an element entirely separate from the Collective: Janeway and Voyager. I assumed this was a straight up 1 to 1 match up between The Borg and 8472, not The Borg and the lone Federation ship actually responsible for any headway made against 8472, which subsequently bailed their Collective asses out vs 8472.

Germany wasnt facing the collective might of thousands of systems either. Your analogies are as shitty as your logic. You are basing your entire decision based on the fact you believe it is impossible for the Borg to have come up with anything on their own.

[Independent voter]

It was one of those writer things where they say "you think the borg is scary, well get a load of this." The universe is not a safe place.

[Grimbold21]

Which species came to whom for protection? I rest my case.

How does that change anything?

[Doctor Amadeus]

One was not from the future, he was fused with the Docs mobile emitter which was 29th century tech, not once were future Borg mentioned.

Yes but The device upgrades him the last episode Janeway brought with her Anti Borg technology it’s a certainty they survive.

[Deleted]

Yes but The device upgrades him the last episode Janeway brought with her Anti Borg technology it’s a certainty they survive.

You think Admiral Janeway is from the 29th century? Have you seriously watched that episode?