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    14 year old rapes two women in 2011, six years later he gets probation

    That's seriously fucked, he should have been given prison time after that.

    http://www.sltrib.com/news/2017/11/2...f-prison-time/

    As he stood at the courtroom podium Monday morning, his hands and legs shackled together, 20-year-old Mohammed Ali Mohammed admitted he did “very, very horrible things” six years ago.
    At age 14, the Somali refugee sexually assaulted two women at knifepoint on consecutive nights in Salt Lake City. He attacked one woman who was standing outside of her home, and, on the following night, broke into another woman’s home and assaulted her there before demanding she go to an ATM and withdraw $400 for him.
    “I was a monster,” Mohammed said Monday in 3rd District Court. “I didn’t know what I was thinking. I was a very stupid kid.”
    But now, after six years in a secure juvenile detention facility, Mohammed says he’s learned a lot and is ready to show he’s a different person than the boy who assaulted the two women in 2011.
    “There is nothing that I could say or do that could restore what I did to them,” he said. “The only way I can show them I’ve changed is how I live my life.”
    Judge Vernice Trease gave him the opportunity to do just that, opting to sentence Mohammed to five years of probation instead of a term at the Utah State Prison.
    The sentencing comes a month before Mohammed’s 21st birthday — the time when he would age out of the juvenile system and could no longer be housed at the Wasatch Youth Center, where he has been since he pleaded guilty to rape, sexual assault and kidnapping charges in 2012.
    He pleaded guilty to charges in both adult and juvenile court, allowing a “blended” sentence that would give him the chance to receive services in the juvenile system, but still give the judge the option to sentence him to adult prison, if necessary.
    However, Trease told the defendant Monday that he would not go to prison, and instead sentenced him to strict probation — requiring weekly check-ins with the court and his probation officer, no internet access and ankle monitoring, among other restrictions.
    If he violates his probation in any way, Trease said, she “won’t bat an eye” in sending him to prison to serve consecutive sentences on the three crimes he pleaded guilty to in adult court.
    “I won’t let you down,” Mohammed told the judge at the end of the hearing.
    Mohammed’s sentence was not what prosecutors or victims had sought.
    One victim told the judge that she is “terrified” at the thought of Mohammed being out on the same streets where she lives. The woman, who was assaulted inside her home, asked for the strictest sentence that the judge could impose, saying that she has to live with flashbacks and fear every day.
    “He did adult crimes,” she told the judge tearfully, “and should have an adult sentence to match what he did.”
    Prosecutor Coral Sanchez-Rose said it wasn’t difficult for her to ask for a prison sentence for Mohammed, because of how vicious his crimes were.
    She said the other victim wasn’t in court Monday because prosecutors have lost contact with her. At the time of the assault, the woman was a college student and doing well, Sanchez-Rose said. But afterward, she fell into drug use and got in trouble with the law.
    “We just lost track of her,” Sanchez-Rose said. “I don’t know if she’s homeless, I don’t know where she’s staying at; we’re unable to contact her. Clearly, this has had a great impact in her life.”
    That victim told a judge in 2012 that she, too, wanted adult prison for Mohammed. The Salt Lake Tribune generally does not identify victims of sexual assault.
    Supporters of Mohammed, mostly staffers and volunteers at Wasatch Youth Center, painted a different picture of Mohammed on Monday. He is a leader in his unit, they said, and his peers look up to him. He is well-liked, and has come a long way in understanding empathy and taking responsibility. He also trained in carpentry while at the detention center and has a job lined up.
    He has a “kind and gentle soul,” said Robert Crawford, a branch president for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, who volunteers at the detention center.
    “I would trust him with my life,” Crawford said, “and we want to continue to help him. We will do everything in our power to help this young man.”
    Mohammed was born in a Somali refugee camp, where he saw his brother killed by a robber, witnessed a rape and was himself the victim of sexual abuse, according to testimony at earlier proceedings.
    On Aug. 14, 2011, in Salt Lake City, the teen came up behind a woman who was outside her house with a dog and held a four-inch switchblade to her throat. He threatened to cut her if she screamed, the charges state, then raped her behind the home.
    The following night, the boy broke into another woman’s home. He looked through drawers in the house before raping the woman, according to charging documents.
    The teen then forced the woman to go to an ATM and withdraw money for him, according to charges.
    The ATM machine’s security camera eventually led police to young Mohammed. He would later tell investigators he wanted the money so he didn’t have to wear stained clothes on the first day of ninth grade school classes.

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    I find it interesting how different people's notions of what constitutes "justice" is. I wonder how much is learned and how much is native.

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    Shouldn't the title be "after he served 6 years he got probation"? Your current title is misleading in that it makes it seem like he only got probation.

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    I mean, let's be clear; he's already served 6 years, so this is 5 years probation on top of that 6 years already-served. And he was a minor, which affects things somewhat (and why he was charged in a blended sentence).

    It's not like he raped them 6 years ago, they just caught him today, and he's only getting probation for it. The title of the thread (and to be fair, the article) is misrepresenting things pretty heavily, by pretending that his 6 years of imprisonment "don't count" because they were in a youth detention facility rather than state prison (since he was a minor until now).


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    I dunno about everyone else, but I'm glad to see for once that someone out there is changing for the better. Hopefully he'll serve as an example for people with similar childhoods.
    Why do I even bother to post on this damned site?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    I mean, let's be clear; he's already served 6 years, so this is 5 years probation on top of that 6 years already-served. And he was a minor, which affects things somewhat (and why he was charged in a blended sentence).

    It's not like he raped them 6 years ago, they just caught him today, and he's only getting probation for it. The title of the thread (and to be fair, the article) is misrepresenting things pretty heavily, by pretending that his 6 years of imprisonment "don't count" because they were in a youth detention facility rather than state prison (since he was a minor until now).
    Also honestly, after some of the rape sentencing we've given out here in the USA, we're in no fucking position to talk.

    And technically, the last I heard the average rape jail term is about 7 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smrund View Post
    Also honestly, after some of the rape sentencing we've given out here in the USA, we're in no fucking position to talk.

    And technically, the last I heard the average rape jail term is about 7 years.



    This happened in the US btw. So par for the course it seems lol

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    The sentencing is pretty normal actually

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    Surprising he got that much. Utah isn't exactly known for protecting women afterall.
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    An elected Republican called for biblical law to be implemented and for all non-christians to be murdered. But it's sharia law we should be scared about right?

    Republicans ran an actual Nazi for office in 2018 and he got nearly 1/3rd of the votes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Joe View Post
    This happened in the US btw. So par for the course it seems lol
    Oh whoops. I'm just so used to these posts being about rants about how Germany is devolving into some Islamic state and they're letting rapists run rampant through the streets. Color me jaded.

    Anyway yeah this is about par for the course in the states.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    I mean, let's be clear; he's already served 6 years, so this is 5 years probation on top of that 6 years already-served. And he was a minor, which affects things somewhat (and why he was charged in a blended sentence).

    It's not like he raped them 6 years ago, they just caught him today, and he's only getting probation for it. The title of the thread (and to be fair, the article) is misrepresenting things pretty heavily, by pretending that his 6 years of imprisonment "don't count" because they were in a youth detention facility rather than state prison (since he was a minor until now).
    If you're dog bites somebody, they kill it. That's what should be done for guilty rapists. Put them down Old Yeller style, just take them behind the courthouse put a bullet in them, and set it on fire. Who gives a crap about pond scum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AzazeltheRuthless View Post
    If you're dog bites somebody, they kill it. That's what should be done for guilty rapists. Put them down Old Yeller style, just take them behind the courthouse put a bullet in them, and set it on fire. Who gives a crap about pond scum.
    In the US one was voted President. So I'd say a minority of Americans love those types.
    May 30th, 2019 - Trump admits Russia helped him get elected.

    An elected Republican called for biblical law to be implemented and for all non-christians to be murdered. But it's sharia law we should be scared about right?

    Republicans ran an actual Nazi for office in 2018 and he got nearly 1/3rd of the votes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince Oberyn Martell View Post
    That is outrageous.

    Did he not have enough money for the judge to give him 0 years like they usually do?
    yo endus do your fucking job

    how the fuck is this not trolling? or flaming? or some other stupid shit you label my posts?

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