Blood elves, high elves and what could have been

[Tripzzz]

You can’t use the transitive property for trust. Nothing implies Rommath respects Athes, let alone trusts him.


Hell their first interaction was if not hatred, very close.

Im talking about the Sunreavers as a whole. Aethas isnt the only sunreaver. Anyway the entire point is Alliance is getting a group of former Blood elves. Them beimg sunreavers is only speculation right now. Atleast a few of these void elves could have information useful in defeating Silvermoon.

[Friendlyimmolation]

Im talking about the Sunreavers as a whole. Aethas isnt the only sunreaver. Anyway the entire point is Alliance is getting a group of former Blood elves. Them beimg sunreavers is only speculation right now. Atleast a few of these void elves could have information useful in defeating Silvermoon.

Rommath made it quite clear what he thinks about any blood elf that worked with the Kirin’tor. He would share nothing with any sunreavers that important.

Having information doesn’t mean it will help, Darkhan only was able to be so successful in his betrayal because no one saw it coming. The void elves stick out like piss in snow.

If the grand magister was a void elf, the argument would make sense. It’s like saying he horde could easily conquer the Exodarr+ Vindicarr because liadrin has been to both of those places.

TLDR the void elves nor the alliance will ever actually taste success in taking quel’thalas, at most they would invade / attempt to breach/ possibly breach the shield of the aunwell before the Horde pushed them back.

As much of a traitor Vereesa is, as much as Alleria may grow to hate the 90% of her people who are still alive, they would never destroy the sunwell, they need it too unless they want to drive themselves into the brink of insanity again and be even less capable of recovery. Blood elves in the worst case scenario have their nightborne allies and the arcandor should The sunwell ever fail, high elves would suffer/ void elves I doubt were allowed to draw on the power anyways+ the have the void now.

[Zulkhan]

Im talking about the Sunreavers as a whole. Aethas isnt the only sunreaver. Anyway the entire point is Alliance is getting a group of former Blood elves. Them beimg sunreavers is only speculation right now. Atleast a few of these void elves could have information useful in defeating Silvermoon.

Defeating Silvermoon is no big deal as long you bring the shield down. That's an info surely well protected though, especially after what happened with Dar'Khan. One of the Void Elves need to be someone very up in ranking and very trusted as well. Someone we already know. Aethas may be that known name. However, someone constantly dealing with an organization generally distruted by Blood Elves while being seemingly in love with it doesn't probably fit the criteria. The "lesser" Sunreavers are even less likely to know anything.

[Friendlyimmolation]

Defeating Silvermoon is no big deal as long you bring the shield down. That's an info surely well protected though, especially after what happened with Dar'Khan. One of the Void Elves need to be someone very up in ranking and very trusted as well. Someone we already know. Aethas may be that known name. However, someone constantly dealing with an organization generally distruted by Blood Elves while being seemingly in love with it doesn't probably fit the criteria. The "lesser" Sunreavers are even less likely to know anything.

It’s like saying a random darksoear traitor would know how to cut Vol,Jin off from the Loa, hell not even Rok would know

[Obelisk Kai]

The High elves could be given a separate, distinctive existence. The hypocrisy is astounding in their reasoning for not giving High elves yet giving us Void elves (who's only "distinction" is that they're void infused).

Apparently that is distinction enough. Years of complaints and demands, and many of those demands included vague requests about how they could make High Elves distinct from Blood Elves, and when they follow through and give you clearly thalassian elves that ARE distinct the response is 'NOT THAT DISTINCT'.

Clearly, what you really want is a Blood Elf clone.

And if they were going to do that, they would have done so instead of making Void Elves.

End of the road for this dream I think.

Second of all, there's no indication that void magic was/is perceived as being worse than fel magic by any group in the game.

It is a difference of degree. Blood Elves sipped fel magic to keep themselves alive...and even that was for a very short period of time until the restoration of the Sunwell. By Elf standards, the Void Elves have mutilated themselves by making the void an innate part of themselves. A sip versus hooking a tanker of bad mojo straight to your veins.

Thirdly, why would the High elves want nothing to do with void elves? Vereesa is still close with Alleria despite her use and mastery in void magic. If anything, the Silver Covenant could just be happy that their former Ranger-Captain is back from long-presumed death, and the fact that she's still on the Alliance is a huge boon for them as well. Even if the void elves are the Sunreavers, at least them and the Silver Covenant will have some commonality with both being exiles from their ancestral homeland. Lastly, the Silver Covenant joining the Horde would be the biggest travesty to lore sensicality. The Silver Covenant exists solely to be a foil to the Horde.

I think the Silver Covenant are slated to die with Veressa. I think Blizzard has paid attention to the High Elf debate more than you'd like and are going to end it one way or another. Giving Void Elves whilst eliminating the Silver Covenant is how they should go about it. But rejoining the Horde to give Blood Elf players blue eye options would be cool too. Although they could just give us those anyway. Apparently, a lot of people want to play blue eyed thalassian elves and this is how they will be able to when enhanced customization comes in.

We're not even in Beta yet, not even close . . . Nothing is set in stone.

Yes, it is. There is Void Elf content coming for 7.3.5. That content has been written a long time ago. It has likely been voiced acted. The quests and story are likely already built on an internal build. The people who write the stories are doing other things now. Those stories they are writing are based on the stuff they wrote months ago. The voice actors have to be booked on a session by session basis and many of them probably have schedules dealing with non wow projects, they simply can't be brought in on an emergency basis..at least not an emergency that is High Elf fans are upset Void Elves are former blood elves and this needs to be rectified. It is as set in stone as it can be for a patch. Blizzard wants their teams working on Legion, not pandering to the High Elf fetish.

That would be the dumbest "plot twist" in the entire game with the reasoning you've given.

Death, rejoining the Horde, neutrality enforced by the Kirin Tor. All options are ok as long as the Silver Covenant is marginalised. After all, you said yourself the point of the SC has been to 'oppose the horde'.

Why are they needed if the Alliance now has Void Elves? A group of elves exiled from their homeland who oppose the Horde AND are playable? The Void Elves make the Silver Covenant redundant to the story.

The fact they are now expendable (and extraneous) to the story going forward means that their only remaining value lorewise is the emotional impact of their death or defection.

[Gurluas]

You can’t use the transitive property for trust. Nothing implies Rommath respects Athes, let alone trusts him.


Hell their first interaction was if not hatred, very close.

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This ignores several things, one of them being that night elves hate high elves almost as much as blood elves do.

Not all of them do, and in fact they favor High elves more for trying to break their addiction, and in some cases like Quel'danil, completely dropping magic. The Highborne who did much worse things than the High elves got fully accepted, Vereesa attended Tyrande's wedding and there were High elves in the Kaldorei lands before the Highborne were admitted.

Plus we could always see a character like Valewalker Farodin or a Dryad or something be the teacher rather than Darnassus druids.

[Obelisk Kai]

Defeating Silvermoon is no big deal as long you bring the shield down. That's an info surely well protected though, especially after what happened with Dar'Khan. One of the Void Elves need to be someone very up in ranking and very trusted as well. Someone we already know. Aethas may be that known name. However, someone constantly dealing with an organization generally distruted by Blood Elves while being seemingly in love with it doesn't probably fit the criteria. The "lesser" Sunreavers are even less likely to know anything.

Makes me wonder if the Alliance will attempt to strike at the Sunwell in BFA?

Every thalassian elf is dependent on with the exception of the Void Elves (their addiction must be sated by the void energies flowing through them).

A successful strike on the Sunwell would cripple Silvermoon and likely lead the Blood Elves to surrender if the Alliance holds the Sunwell hostage.

[Fayenoor]

I've always found it interesting how people witness the relationship between Legolas and Aragorn and imagine that such comradery between humans and elves is common -- it's not. The relationship between humans and elves, in Middle Earth, could probably be described as a 'civilized rivalry'. They aren't friends -- they are competitors. That they attempt to out-maneuver one another without genocidal intent is only because of a shared respect for one another.

Only the first line is correct. Part of the reason is Aragorn grew up in Rivendell after he was orphaned. So Aragorn was known to the elves and knew their customs. Legolas is not from Rivendell. He is a Sindarin elf from the Mirkwood. But Aragorn is a Dunedain, descendant from the Kings of Numenor who were themselves descended from Elros (human brother of Elrond). Legolas was aware of this.

In Middle Earth, for the most part, Elves found the humans rather contemptible and not worthy of their time. From Silmarillon, when Beren (human) fell in love with Luthien (Elf), Luthien's father refused to acknowledge their union and sent Beren to acquire a Silmaril from Morgoth (Morgoth is the Sargeras of Middle Earth), which was supposed to be a suicide mission. That's how much beneath them the Elves thought the humans were. There were never any mutual respect between the races as you speak of.

Even in the LOTR timeframe, the elves allowed access to their lands to very few humans and mostly killed anyone who trespassed. They left for the undying lands leaving the humans to fend for themselves against Sauron. The only reason Elrond helped Aragorn (had Ishildur's sword remade) was because of Arwen. Even though Aragorn was literally like his adopted son, Elrond chose not to help him directly till he realized that Arwen's life is tied to the ring. This is inspite of the fact that Elrond himself was half-human (his father was human).

It is not about rivalry, mutual civilized or otherwise. Humans looked up to the Elves in awe and the Elves completely ignored the humans as inferior species not worthy of their time. The Elves of Middle Earth had more respect for the Dwarves than the Men (though they fought many wars against the Dwarves and generally hated them and considered them untrustworthy)

[Combatbutler]

A successful strike on the Sunwell would cripple Silvermoon and likely lead the Blood Elves to surrender if the Alliance holds the Sunwell hostage.

It might have worked prior to BfA, now they would have access to the Arcandor addiction is no longer a problem either way. I could see them actually destroy the sunwell if they see no way of holding it alongside the encroaching Alliance army, after all they did it before to beat the amani invasion after the initial scourge invasion.

[Friendlyimmolation]

Makes me wonder if the Alliance will attempt to strike at the Sunwell in BFA?

Every thalassian elf is dependent on with the exception of the Void Elves (their addiction must be sated by the void energies flowing through them).

A successful strike on the Sunwell would cripple Silvermoon and likely lead the Blood Elves to surrender if the Alliance holds the Sunwell hostage.

Unless they blew it up, they wouldn't be able to do anything about it. You don't need to physically be next to it to draw from it.

But the Alliance's chances of ever reaching there are pretty low, unless Alleria goes batshit retarded like her little sister Vereesa, she won't want to cause her own race suffering either way..... unless she identifies as a human now or some shit like that.

[Tripzzz]

Rommath made it quite clear what he thinks about any blood elf that worked with the Kirin’tor. He would share nothing with any sunreavers that important.

Having information doesn’t mean it will help, Darkhan only was able to be so successful in his betrayal because no one saw it coming. The void elves stick out like piss in snow.

If the grand magister was a void elf, the argument would make sense. It’s like saying he horde could easily conquer the Exodarr+ Vindicarr because liadrin has been to both of those places.

TLDR the void elves nor the alliance will ever actually taste success in taking quel’thalas, at most they would invade / attempt to breach/ possibly breach the shield of the aunwell before the Horde pushed them back.

As much of a traitor Vereesa is, as much as Alleria may grow to hate the 90% of her people who are still alive, they would never destroy the sunwell, they need it too unless they want to drive themselves into the brink of insanity again and be even less capable of recovery. Blood elves in the worst case scenario have their nightborne allies and the arcandor should The sunwell ever fail, high elves would suffer/ void elves I doubt were allowed to draw on the power anyways+ the have the void now.

I know it won't happen because the guys at blizzcon said so(although in a joking manner.) Im just saying it could be possible and would make sense. But it won't happen for the same reason plot will prevent the forsaken from using blight to defend undercity attack.

[Friendlyimmolation]

I know it won't happen because the guys at blizzcon said so(although in a joking manner.) Im just saying it could be possible and would make sense. But it won't happen for the same reason plot will prevent the forsaken from using blight to defend undercity attack.

Blight can be explained though why it wouldn’t or couldn’t be used

[Tripzzz]

Blight can be explained though why it wouldn’t or couldn’t be used

Will be really hard to explain the Forsaken losing Undercity without launching a single barrel of blight. That or it proves just how worthless the stuff actually is. Too many drawbacks.

[Combatbutler]

Will be really hard to explain the Forsaken losing Undercity without lauching a single barrel of blight. That or it proves just how worthless the stuff actually is. Too many drawbacks.

Doesn't make much sense really that stuff would be perfect for a siege to break the enemy ranks. But then again blizzard never really cared for strategy to begin with.

Not to mention I'd wager either side could cram a few hundred magi together and unleash one of these.

https://wow.gamepedia.com/File:Troll_Wars_magi.jpg

But nope bows arrows and swords it is XD

I've seen what 6 casters in the entire cinematic

[Tripzzz]

Doesn't make much sense really that stuff would be perfect for a siege to break the enemy ranks. But then again blizzard never really cared for strategy to begin with.

Not to mention I'd wager either side could cram a few hundred magi together and unleash one of these.

https://wow.gamepedia.com/File:Troll_Wars_magi.jpg

But nope bows arrows and swords it is XD

Yeah. You'd think both sides would bring out the big guns.

[Combatbutler]

Yeah. You'd think both sides would bring out the big guns.

It is what it is, swords, bows and knives still win wars in the warcraft universe, despite so much devastating power all around them, seems just weird.

[Friendlyimmolation]

Will be really hard to explain the Forsaken losing Undercity without launching a single barrel of blight. That or it proves just how worthless the stuff actually is. Too many drawbacks.

Could just be the orcs going “I want to go outside “ and so the forsaken are unable to use it

[Tripzzz]

Could just be the orcs going “I want to go outside “ and so the forsaken are unable to use it

Slyvanus could screech "Lok'tar ogar" and then procede to deploy blight. Orcs love that dumb stuff. But it wont happen for the same reason Jaina didnt save Varian at the broken shore. Plot induced stupidity.

[Zulkhan]

It is what it is, swords, bows and knives still win wars in the warcraft universe, despite so much devastating power all around them, seems just weird.

The power may be devastating but the flesh is fragile. You can't rely on casters to hold the frontlines unless the other side is using the same amount of casters. Magic requires focus and concentration and that's all stuff hard to collect without swords, bows and knives doing the dirty work.

[Techno-Druid]

Apparently the void elves are called ren'dorei, according to the datamined text.