Can Communism be Modified to Work?

[Zython]

I can actually answer this for you by asking you another question, and you should be able to pull the wisdom from it and apply it to your own.

"Why expend resources on a fight with anti-vaccers?"

Here's the problem with that reasoning: people don't fight anti-vaxxers by blowing up homeopathic clinics or having Gwenyth Paltrow assassinated. I mean, if you disagree with communism and have reasons why, then by all means, state your reasons. But that's not how capitalists fight communism.

[Gutpile]

You're likely a middle class edgelord who has no clue about real life.

I grew up in a commuist country. You are absolutely clueless and should shut the fuck up shitposting about stuff you know nothing about and learned somewhere on the internet.

"Yeah, but that wasn't REAL communism hurrr durrr"

[Saucexorzski]

Yes, people kill for no reason. There's never a motive. Right.

Oh there sure are,historically the main cause of violence is ideological differences. Some tribes just done mix well with each other.

[Fooliecoolie]

No matter which system is implemented, it will always become an authoritarian system where one person or a small group will impose their will on the masses.

[Zython]

Yeah, millions of people being executed or put in political re-education camps for wrong-think. Oh wait, that's only communism.

Um...about that...

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I clearly overestimated your intelligence.

So they ARE murdering people?

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Oh there sure are,historically the main cause of violence is ideological differences. Some tribes just done mix well with each other.

Getting warmer...

[Gutpile]

No matter which system is implemented, it will always become an authoritarian system when one person or a small group will impose their will on the masses.

[Zython]

You're likely a middle class edgelord who has no clue about real life.

I grew up in a commuist country. You are absolutely clueless and should shut the fuck up shitposting about stuff you know nothing about and learned somewhere on the internet.

Clearly, you're not being objective about this.



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Are you asking me what I want to be the correct answer, or are you asking me what is the best answer for societies?

I'm asking what you believe.

[Zython]

I believe that people should be treated as equals, we are not animals, we shouldn't fight one another for the fattest gazelle. I believe that we should share wealth, knowledge, nourishment, resources, and land openly and freely.

This issue is the world isn't sunshine and farts, people will always hate, kill, rape, and steal. Walls, borders, and countries must be created to try to establish some sort of safety from the chaos that is the world and it's people. And with countries, we need them to be successful, and thus you need a way to make the members of said society effective and productive.

That’s great. But I was more curious about whether or not you believe that people should be able to profit off the labor of others due to owning things.

[Fooliecoolie]

How is Communism any different from Capitalism, they both exploit the masses. At least with Capitalism, you have the chance to make your life better if you work hard enough. With Communism, there is no drive to become better as there is no reason to become better.

[Zython]

How is Communism any different from Capitalism, they both exploit the masses. At least with Capitalism, you have the chance to make your life better if you work hard enough. With Communism, there is no drive to become better as there is no reason to become better.

Capitalism is literally designed to reward people who are already rich and get paid based on the labor of others. Being compensated directly for labor is socialism.

[Theinquisition]

Well, do you think slavery could be reworked to be acceptable?

No?

Yeah, neither can communism

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That’s great. But I was more curious about whether or not you believe that people should be able to profit off the labor of others due to owning things.

What makes you think that people don't benefit from others labor under communism? lol

[Beardless Man]

In small populaces, perhaps. Where there's enough to establish a good system.

But to a massive group. IE the United States? I say not.
Communism has failed time and again to supply large numbers of people. where often leads to starvation and desperate holds to power. Bodies pile when communism tries to handle the masses.

If it were a small group with enough resources. Sure, I guess.

[Gutpile]

Yes. The only teeny tiny modifications that communism needs are infinite freely available energy, infinite freely available space, and infinite freely available resources.

Just nail these three things down, and we are set to go for communist utopia.

Don't forget a complete change of human nature. We'll get there in no time, comrades!

[Gohzerlock]

Our Canadian PM and other SJWs seem to enjoy communism.

[Deleted]

Communism don't work even on paper, even looks interesting, and in real life is a total failure as everybody can see today.

[Kraenen]

Humans are communal creatures actually.

Which is why communism doesn't work. All the negative aspects of our communal nature come out in any authoritarian/fascist/communist regime. Even if you try to keep to its roots (which are immoral anyway). The fact that we have a tendency for communalism and group-think is exactly why we need a somewhat liberal style of government.

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Yes. The only teeny tiny modifications that communism needs are infinite freely available energy, infinite freely available space, and infinite freely available resources.

Just nail these three things down, and we are set to go for communist utopia.

This seems to be the case in liberal capitalism too doesn't it? We can let people do whatever they want and exploit the land if there were infinite land.

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Here's a question I have to capitalistic die-hards. We live in a society where people go hungry, but half of our produce is destroyed.

It's strange you'd bring up food in the midst of the Venezuela crisis brought on by socialist policies...

[Taso]

Not really since Marx and engles never got to explain this final stage of social evolution.
Since communism has to do with the deterioration of the state most people would probably go back to the old system which is capitalism.
Modified or not it will not work. Once people realize they have to work because of survival instead of pleasure everyone will want to go back to being governed. Where the government gives them money while they explore what ever pleases them.

[Deleted]

What makes you think that people don't benefit from others labor under communism? lol

Because that is the whole point.

This thread is full of people who don't know what communism is criticizing it.

In order to have a minimum credibility you have to have a vague idea of what is actually being proposed.

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Our Canadian PM and other SJWs seem to enjoy communism.

Trudeaux barely qualifies as a liberal. You people just sound retarded.

[lamasu93]

no it cant

[Deleted]

Communism don't work even on paper, even looks interesting, and in real life is a total failure as everybody can see today.

Paper, one suspects, you've never actually looked at.

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no it cant

Wow what a rebuttal. Marx spent twenty years studying in the round reading room in the British library.

But hey no, fuck that, because Jeb here thinks it can't work.