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    Quote Originally Posted by Rurts View Post
    Sure, they should. There wil be some sort of group finder in the game, that's certain (either a port of the current one or an addon that does the same and everybody will use it anyway), so "link curve + gearscore" will be the usual MO for pugs.
    They've literally already said there wouldn't be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cebel View Post
    They've literally already said there wouldn't be.
    Sitting in town looking for groups on a dated irrelevant game. Sounds like a thrilling way to spend time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rurts View Post
    Sure, they should. There wil be some sort of group finder in the game, that's certain (either a port of the current one or an addon that does the same and everybody will use it anyway),
    There were addons like that in the past, true but they were never that popular and, if I remember correctly, one was explicitly banned by Blizzard for creating too many requests at the time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rurts View Post
    so "link curve + gearscore" will be the usual MO for pugs.
    What curve? What gearscrore in vanilla? Ok, let's put it other way around. What does gearscore can even give you in terms of information in vanilla?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rootbeerboy View Post
    Sitting in town looking for groups on a dated irrelevant game. Sounds like a thrilling way to spend time.
    Sitting in town, making friends, learning who's good at what. Yeah it's called a community. You know that thing live has zero of? Sounds fantastic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cebel View Post
    Sitting in town, making friends, learning who's good at what. Yeah it's called a community. You know that thing live has zero of? Sounds fantastic.
    God Forbid putting people on your Friends List and not facerolling content.

    God Forbid that we have:

    • 1 - Tank Threat that is relevant
    • 2 - CC in content that is relevant
    • 3 - No LFR/LFD Tools
    • 4 - Classes are unique and not homogenized.
    • 5 - Professions have value.
    • 6 - Content has longevity.
    • 7 - There are no heirlooms and related items/mechanics
    • 8 - There are no CRZ's.
    • 9 - There are no Multiple "dificulty" levels on raids.
    • 10 - Legendary items are not common and the design philosophy they were based on is not in the game.
    • 11. - There are spell ranks.
    • 12. - All original class spells are in game.
    • 13. Certain specs such as Survival Hunter (melee/ranged hybrid) actually exist.
    • 14. Azeroth and Kalimdor are unchanged.
    • 15. Ammo and quivers are in the game.
    • 17. There are talent trees.
    • 18. Mana management is in game.
    • 19. Aggro management is in game.
    • 20. There are class quests.
    • 21. Levelling experience is not trivialized.
    • 22. Debuff limits are in place in boss fights.
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  6. #106
    I've never liked the achievement system and hope that when Blizzard release Classic WoW it is not included.

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    As others have no doubt said, it would change the environment of the vanilla experience too much.

    It's going to end up like it did in retail, have X achievement in order to join this group.

    That's not how it worked at all and is a bad design going into classic.

    You have to remember, less people are going to actually play classic (even less so actually getting 60 and raiding frequently) so achievements like that are going to splinter the already low amount of raiders by adding an extra hurdle.

    If anything, it would be fun to add the achieves to the current x-pac (under a classic section) and only the things like getting level 60, getting a legendary, etc.

    Heck, throw in a title like Classic XX or XX the Classic for leveling to 60 on classic for your current x-pac characters.

    btw I'm all for classic and will play it and level to 60 and raid a bit if I can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Corroc View Post
    Aaand lies confirmed. It wasn't possible to kill Nefarian without Onyxia cloak in vanilla. So I call bullshit on your whole story. Maybe next time do your research before "story time".
    Yes it was possible. The breath could be LOS bugged for starters and Alliance could use stuff like Divine Intervention on tanks.

    Quote Originally Posted by -Konst- View Post
    - Mc will be cleared the first raid evening (if you have water to spawn Raggy, there is a big chance that even he will fall the first raid night)
    - BWL will be slightly more difficult because of the two starter bosses. The first needs some cordination, the second needs damage. Might not be downed by guilds the first week they start to raid, but the first should be done within two weeks.
    Molten Core requires Aqual Quintessences which needed Revered with Hydraxian Waterlords, nobody is getting revered in the first raid night.

    BWL will be significantly more difficult, not slightly. The DPS check on Vaelestrasz is quite severe for an undergeared group, Razorgore shouldn't really take an awful lot of effort though.
    After Vael we have Firemaw, Flamegor, and Ebonroc that require onyxia cloaks on the tanks at the very least. And then we have Chromaggus, whos colours can significantly alter the difficulty of the encounter.

    BWL's big stumbling blocks to Nef are Vael, Firemaw, and Chromaggus.

    Also, you are completely discounting the resistance requirements. Without resist on your raid for Ragnaros for example, your healers are going to be pressured quite significantly.

    So while I'd agree that difficulty wise none of the encounters would pose much of a threat, we have very real gear and reputation checks that must be passed.

    Other than Onyxia obviously, only ZG and AQ20 could really be cleared in one night because their checks are not as high as the other raids. I would only really expect the absolute best groups to be doing so though because even ZG and AQ20 have checks that require a certain level of gear to get over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rootbeerboy View Post
    Sitting in town looking for groups on a dated irrelevant game. Sounds like a thrilling way to spend time.
    That's how things worked, and adding a group finder would kill one of the reasons why vanilla vanilla is so popular: Community.

    You group with your friends, guildies, friendlist, and randoms if you can't fill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rootbeerboy View Post
    I've heard talk of molten core and blacwing lair or maybe onixia becoming easier once you have access to ZG gear. So I'm thinking if they release the patches in order and ZG isn't out as soon as classic releases.. they should also add an ahead of the curve molten core achievement for completing the raid before ZG comes out.
    Do you want Vanilla, or a salad with new features?..i think all the Vanilla callers should get that version which used to work on Pentim III with shitty graphics.

  11. #111
    Quote Originally Posted by Rurts View Post
    Sure, they should. There wil be some sort of group finder in the game, that's certain (either a port of the current one or an addon that does the same and everybody will use it anyway), so "link curve + gearscore" will be the usual MO for pugs.
    Item level/budget is not a strict determining factor in quality or usefulness of a piece of gear in vanilla. Tier 1 is absolute dogshit for several classes.

  12. #112
    So you want achievements in vanilla? Really? gtfo plz

  13. #113
    ITT:

    People who haven't played Vanilla want features that weren't in Vanilla to be in Vanilla.
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  14. #114
    Quote Originally Posted by -Konst- View Post
    You must be a very ignorant and angry person. .
    The only one here who's ignorant is the guy who thinks achievements somehow ruin Vanilla.

    again to what purpose? To make the social aspect easier?
    You enter raids with results not with funny jokes. If a guild wants experience achievements are the fastest, easiest way to prove you have it.

    Everything that makes the game easier is at its very core faulty
    Except this doesn't make the game easier at all and what you said is fucking stupid.

    There is a difference between annoyance and difficulty. Shall we also leave the bugs that were in 1.1 because fixing them makes the game easier?

    Learn to think. If you think Classic's going to have broken 1.1 talents you've got another thing coming.

    Voodoo dolls being Unique, Libram of Rapidity being Unique, Blood of Heroes only dropping 1 and having a ridiculous cooldown, those are all shitty game designs that don't make the game harder, just more time consuming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triks View Post
    ITT:

    People who haven't played Vanilla want features that weren't in Vanilla to be in Vanilla.
    You think you're getting 100% Vanilla?
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  15. #115
    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Midnight Bomber View Post
    And Blizzard has said they plan on recreating the classic wow experience...for good and for bad. Achievements were not a part of the classic wow experience.
    Blizzard is known for saying stuff and well in the end changing their mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pateuvasiliu View Post
    The only one here who's ignorant is the guy who thinks achievements somehow ruin Vanilla.



    You enter raids with results not with funny jokes. If a guild wants experience achievements are the fastest, easiest way to prove you have it.



    Except this doesn't make the game easier at all and what you said is fucking stupid.

    There is a difference between annoyance and difficulty. Shall we also leave the bugs that were in 1.1 because fixing them makes the game easier?

    Learn to think. If you think Classic's going to have broken 1.1 talents you've got another thing coming.

    Voodoo dolls being Unique, Libram of Rapidity being Unique, Blood of Heroes only dropping 1 and having a ridiculous cooldown, those are all shitty game designs that don't make the game harder, just more time consuming.

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    You think you're getting 100% Vanilla?
    From looking at their statements it will be as close to Vanilla as possible, as in no major gameplay changes. Whether it is 1.1 or 1.8 or 1.12 is just splitting hairs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Triks View Post
    From looking at their statements it will be as close to Vanilla as possible, as in no major gameplay changes. Whether it is 1.1 or 1.8 or 1.12 is just splitting hairs.
    Adding a graveyard to an unfinished zone, achievements or optional new models isn't major.

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    Do you want Vanilla or Wrath of the Lich King?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pateuvasiliu View Post
    Adding a graveyard to an unfinished zone, achievements or optional new models isn't major.
    Adding a graveyard isn't, adding optional models isn't but adding achievements is something ABSOLUTELY major. Do you really want the toxic stupidity of WoTLK pugs back: "LFM Scholo, link achi".

    Yeah no.
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  20. #120
    Quote Originally Posted by Triks View Post
    Adding a graveyard isn't, adding optional models isn't but adding achievements is something ABSOLUTELY major. Do you really want the toxic stupidity of WoTLK pugs back: "LFM Scholo, link achi".
    I'd rather have achievements than gear reservations and the latter will be in Vanilla for sure.

    Why would it be wrong to want an experienced player over a noob who doesn't know what to do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lahis View Post
    Do you want Vanilla or Wrath of the Lich King?

    Using features from other expansions isn't a bad thing as long as said features don't ruin the features of the one you're transferring them to.

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