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    Quote Originally Posted by deepr View Post
    So because some intersex people have difficulties in life, all the rest of us should pretend there is no gender difference. Makes total sense.
    No, it means you don't assume about anyone else's kids because this sort of thing is often kept tightly guarded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deepr View Post
    So because some intersex people have difficulties in life, all the rest of us should pretend there is no gender difference. Makes total sense.

    I have an artificial eye myself and I demand all the two eyed people in the world to be eye neutral! When I go to get my eye checked, I want the optician to give me three choices: should I check the left eye, right eye or both! Then I don't have to tell him myself that it's only the right eye.
    I also want everybody in the world to always be aware of the fact that some people might have a more limited field of vision, to avoid accidents or unconformtable situations.
    No, wait. This is not enough. I think everybody should simply wear an eye patch out of the respect for the one-eyed. Yep, that's it.
    I agree with Eye-neutrality. I just gouged one of my eyes out because I have dual-eye guilt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    It keeps astonishing me watching people froth at the mouth about trans people, so soon after gay marriage confined their previous prejudice to the ashcan of history.

    Like, if it was me I'd put two and two together and realise that 5-10 years from now conservatives are going to be pretending they were never opposed to trans people either.
    Public opinion is already turning on them, and most of the bigots have shifted their criticism to non-binary folks already.

    You'd think they'd get where the conversation was actually going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenGoldSharpie View Post
    No, I'm thinking we don't actually now her situation, but we're sure interested in judging her. Since we're, I assume, referencing the birth year how do you think they treated PAIS or even CAIS in '96? 'Cause I can tell you exactly how they did in '82, '90, and '94.

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    "I get my information on trans people from The Federalist."
    Acceptance of other people's choices and raising your children to be "gender neutral" are not the same thing. Her kids can still grow up to be judgemental holier than thou little shits regardless of if they identify as grand pianos or boys and girls.

    A quick look around this forum or Tumblr reveals a whole slew of people who claim to be open-minded, but are just as closed off and intolerant as Bible thumper stereotypes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenGoldSharpie View Post
    No, I'm thinking we don't actually now her situation, but we're sure interested in judging her. Since we're, I assume, referencing the birth year how do you think they treated PAIS or even CAIS in '96? 'Cause I can tell you exactly how they did in '82, '90, and '94.

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    "I get my information on trans people from The Federalist."
    I was referring to '96 as the year I was 3, and this is where you sidelined where I was saying If it happened today, in the present, not the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    What do you think is going to mess them up?

    Not giving the boys GI Joes and the girls Barbies?

    /dated cultural references

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    She's literally talking about doing the opposite, ie not forcing a particular mindset on them.

    I don't know what you mean by "not healthy for society" either.
    If you don't know what that means I won't go into a discussion with you about it either, I'll give you a hint...they aren't healthy in their heads.

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    This will accomplish....what?

    Well, whatever. Not my kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenGoldSharpie View Post
    Thanks doc. We needed the expert opinion.
    I suggest you look up at what age the average person actually reaches maturity. Not talking about their bodies. By that logic we should allow people to make decisions by the age of 14 or younger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McFuu View Post
    Acceptance of other people's choices and raising your children to be "gender neutral" are not the same thing. Her kids can still grow up to be judgemental holier than thou little shits regardless of if they identify as grand pianos or boys and girls.
    And that, as we all know, is much more important than actually respecting that some kids aren't born clearly male or female and that society has been pushing them into treatment since forever.

    Because they might be trumblrinas, and that hurts the feelings of poor, wittle internet bitches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeilon View Post
    If you don't know what that means I won't go into a discussion with you about it either, I'll give you a hint...they aren't healthy in their heads.
    Are you trying to dog whistle to me? That's not how dog whistling works lol.
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    Freud would have a field day with 2017

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helryx View Post
    I was referring to '96 as the year I was 3, and this is where you sidelined where I was saying If it happened today, in the present, not the past.
    I'm not sidelining anything, but you all love to assume you know anything about this woman and her kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frozenbeef View Post
    Freud would have a field day with 2017
    It's certainly been a motherfucker of a year.
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    Look Batman really isn't an accurate source by any means
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    It is a fact, not just something I made up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeilon View Post
    I suggest you look up at what age the average person actually reaches maturity. Not talking about their bodies. By that logic we should allow people to make decisions by the age of 14 or younger.
    I suggest you look up WPATH and what the AAP actually says on trans kids. Until you do, you're clueless on the subject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fleugen View Post
    And can you explain what gender neutrality is aside from those things?

    You don't assign them a pronoun, you let them choose. You don't assign them what they can and can't play with based on gender, you let them choose. You don't assign them a gendered partner before they can even walk, you let them choose when they're ready. If you're making a decision based on the child's gender, you don't make the decision, you let the child make the decision.

    That's what gender neutrality is.
    I'm sorry but I;ve had child hood friends wear dresses and play with the opposite gender toys and they've known if they are a boy or girl.

    Gender neutrality is no identifying as a boy or girl and that's it. It's not based on the actions they take

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    Quote Originally Posted by HardlyWaken View Post
    I agree with Eye-neutrality. I just gouged one of my eyes out because I have dual-eye guilt.
    Awww thanks man. This is the only way we can all be equal, because sadly, it's not yet possible to grow real eyes. Uh oh, but what about the blind? Shit... well, here we go! Time to learn Braille.

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    My sister raised her children gender neutral, but it's funny that doing this still made the boy do boy things and the girl do girl things... It's fascinating really. But it's always nice to let the children choose.

    My niece still likes dresses and my nephew still likes cars. So gender neutral really did nothing lol.

    Hell me and my sister was raised gender neutral and we was raised in the 80's lol. The only hurdle was my sister used to play with my toys, and I tried playing with her toys but according to my mum that didn't last long and I always preferred playing with cars and action figures But I always forced my sister to play with my toys lol. Would explain why she grew up to be such a Tomboy lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mask View Post
    What about raising children without using gender labels is child abuse??
    Simple, there r two genders, ur either a boy or a girl. Children should be raised as such, most children go through a phase of gender confusion and eventually grow out of it. Their proper gender should be reinforced by the parent. It's the parents job to raise the child and teach them how to act, morals, standards etc. children literally know nothing, adults literally tell children what they can and can't do, there r many age restricting items like porn, cigarettes, movies etc. they can't give consent to sex and pretty much no rights. And somehow u believe that they have the maturity and knowledge to choose their own gender. Yeah ok...

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    Quote Originally Posted by deepr View Post
    Awww thanks man. This is the only way we can all be equal, because sadly, it's not yet possible to grow real eyes. Uh oh, but what about the blind? Shit... well, here we go! Time to learn Braille.
    Are you assuming everyone has nerve endings in their finger tips that would allow them to read braille?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenGoldSharpie View Post
    I'm not sidelining anything, but you all love to assume you know anything about this woman and her kids.
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    O...kay then.
    So assuming.
    Quote Originally Posted by McFuu View Post
    Acceptance of other people's choices and raising your children to be "gender neutral" are not the same thing. Her kids can still grow up to be judgemental holier than thou little shits regardless of if they identify as grand pianos or boys and girls.

    A quick look around this forum or Tumblr reveals a whole slew of people who claim to be open-minded, but are just as closed off and intolerant as Bible thumper stereotypes.

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