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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
    I don't think Death Coil holds quite the same allure as Meta, somehow
    Guess who was right ?
    Hint : not you
    HAHAHAHA
    Quote Originally Posted by primalmatter View Post
    nazi is not the abbreviation of national socialism....
    When googling 4 letters is asking too much fact-checking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larodar View Post
    Your incompetence amused me.
    No I was incorrect.

    That is very different from the meaning of the word of the incompetence.

    If you wish to gloat, at least use correct words.

    And it's not as if the addition of Demon Hunters is something I was dreading.

    I just felt Blizzard wouldn't add them in the way many people were suggesting, by demolish an existing spec. I still don't feel they will do anything to Demonology.
    Last edited by Obelisk Kai; 2015-08-06 at 07:21 PM.

  3. #283
    Where is the design space for demon hunters?

    This announcement was so shocking and utterly baffling. I feel that in doing this they have literally shit on other classes.

  4. #284
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    No, the obvious fact is that this tweet supports the other evidence that Blizzard has no intention of ever implementing this class. It started when they called the range class Hunters instead of Rangers. It continued when they divided the DH hero's abilities between 3 classes, had no DH class for TBC, and reached the breaking point when Blizzard linked Illidan to the Warlock class, and introduced a DW leather class after Rogues.

    Developer tweets like this just confirm what's been obvious all along.
    hahahaha Demon hunters confirmed

  5. #285
    Quote Originally Posted by Arthas242 View Post
    There will never be a demon hunter CLASS

    with the incoming demo revamp for 7.0 *because blizzard doesn't like how it plays*

    they will never take meta away as it's to much part of the warlock class now *and two classes with meta would be stupid*

    the most likely outcome is Demo gets split into two specs like FERAL DRUIDS DID.

    one focused on demon summoning/empowering minions *Demonolgy base don Gul'dan*

    The other one Meta/self empowerment *Demon Hunter based on Illidan* AS A TANK SPEC.
    *as many warlocks want warlock tanking back*
    Illidan also was in a sense a cloth wearer, As he worn only pants and and blindfold, he was a better magic user then ever a physical fighter *in books/lore* maybe not so much in games like HotS

    this solves many and all problems, it's easier to *split*make a spec then a new class.
    It add demon hunters
    It gives warlocks tanking back that was added in Mist *even though it got nerfed at release but was still viable in many situations*
    IT MIGHT also solve the lack of tanks problem because everyone and there mother wanting to be a Demon Hunter *although i wouldn't be surprised if they added a talent like Warriors Gladitators resolve*

    It also fits lore as KANRETHAD was obessed with Illidans powers and wanted to learn to control them himself *and he was a warlock*. The questline it self also hinted at Illidan being Alive. So it would not be out of reach Illidan returns to train a new set of demon hunters from THE BLACK HARVEST, which does comprise of horde and alliance warlocks, so it is easy to explain why both factions get .

    This would also allow to open up Night Elf Warlocks
    *maybe even draenei cause we had a expansion full of them and i want to be one of these two*
    I bet you feel silly now

  6. #286
    Where is the design space for demon hunters?

    This announcement was so shocking and utterly baffling. I feel that in doing this they have literally shit on other classes.
    In the Legion expansion. Sometimes, we are the only ones that see things like facts, and after all, they are just....things. We can't have another leather class? Well...yes, we can. We can't have another melee class? Of course, why not? We can only have classes with 3 specs...not anymore.

    I mean, this expansion just created a new...vision of how things can be designed. They can create a class with 2 specs (or 4!!), we can have a class available only to one race for every faction, so what's next? It seems that the "wall" that the community build (in their minds), has been detroyed.

    Blizzard had the balls to do something that nobody could believe. That's something really good.

  7. #287
    Quote Originally Posted by Dasani View Post
    Reasoning is what makes it an impossibility.

    Of the two classes we've gotten since release, both were of an underrepresented armor type. Cloth has always been at 3, leather was at 2, plate was at 2, and mail was at 2. DK's added a third plate, monks added a third leather, now each type has 3 except mail. Mail seems the most likely armor type to be used by a new class, demon hunters are leather users, at least all items in-game thus far which were created to be similar to demon hunters have all been leather items including cursed vision of sargeras.

    New classes thus far have also been melee dps that are tank capable. It's unlikely the third new class will be yet another melee when there are already far too many of them and they are the least desirable members of a raid. Ranged seems far more likely.

    Then there are the abilities they are based on... Demon Hunters in Warcraft 3 had Immolate, Mana Burn, Evasion, and Metamorphosis. Two of those abilities went to warlocks, one to priests which is now defunct, and one to rogues. They completely cannibalized the demon hunter to fuel the creation of wow classes from the very beginning. It's the same reason you won't see shit like Chieftan or Blademaster classes, because they were taken apart for their components and used to create "Warriors". Demon Hunter was a big component in the creation of warlocks and rogues, right from the beginning. All of WOW's classes are created from these cannibalized abilities. Shaman are a combination of Far Seer, Orc Shaman, Witch Doctor, and Shadow Hunter. Far Seers, witch doctors, and shadow hunters aren't playable wow classes, they were cannibalized to instead create a generic Shaman class that encompassed all of these abilities just as rogues and warlocks were created with bits and pieces here and there. Adding demon hunters is as ridiculous as adding blademasters or Far Seers. Their defining abilities are already in use by existing classes.

    Then there is the lore perspective and justification for their inclusion. Why demon hunters? Why now? Death Knights were created when Arthas started his war and started his invasion on the living. They made sense. Monks already existed for who knows how many thousands of years, we just didn't have knowledge of them or access to them, after discovering pandaria there was reason for us to suddenly learn of them and have access to that knowledge to train our own monks. It made sense. But demon hunters? Makes no fucking sense any way you slice it. It has been who knows how many in-game years since warcraft 3 to the present, hell it's been over 10 in reality and not a peep out of a single demon hunter that seemed at all interested in training anyone or helping in the world at large. Illidan brought demon hunters to outland and was training blood elves to be demon hunters but we kinda killed them all and they were working for the bad guy anyway. Did any demon hunters try to join the alliance or horde and try to help kill anything any of the demons in outland? NOPE. Did any demon hunters ever say "hey, i care about what happens to this world, i should go help kill deathwing or ragnaros or the old gods or fucking anything else threatening to end all life on the planet!"? NOPE. Hell, even when Sunwell was released and they had a brand new sunwell which was always a big deal to demon hunters and it was literally infested with demons, did any demon hunters show up to contribute anything? NOPE.

    We have fought demons many, many times. There are pockets of demons all over the world that still cause problems. There have been countless reasons and excuses for demon hunters to pop up and want to contribute something or say "oh fuck, the threat of the legion which wiped out most of our planet ten thousand years ago is still out there, maybe i should train somebody how to fight demons better". But they never did. Of the handful of remaining demon hunters that still exist, they have had literally 10,000 years to train people to be demon hunters as well as more than a decade to actually contribute their training towards trying to fight demons trying to end the world but they haven't. They either aren't willing or aren't capable.

    There is absolutely zero justifiable excuse to suddenly have players able to make demon hunters. The most bullshit excuse blizzard could cough up would be they dug up some night elf prison like the one illidan was in that just happened to have some demon hunter master in it who totally wanted to train people and was locked away all this time so he couldnt before now. But then how do you reconcile that against everything else? Why would night elves say "oh you know what, we locked all these dudes up for eternity for their past crimes but you know what, its ok, let em out and we'll give them a pass cuz... REASONS?" Hell tyrande had to straight up MURDER the wardens who held illidan in prison to get him out and then he turned around and did more evil demonic shit and just proved they should have left him locked up.

    The handful of demon hunters you do actually encounter in WOW are more nods towards warcraft 3 than meaningful characters. That's all they are and all they ever will be. There is simply no place for such a class to exist. Rogues already cover all the physical combat aspects of demon hunters and warlocks cover all the magical aspects, there's seriously nothing left for them without just straight up creating all new abilities based on NONE of the original content. And if you were going to make a class with all 100% original abilities based on nothing from warcraft 3, why not make an original class instead of calling it demon hunter and having nothing in common with their warcraft 3 counterpart?

    None of it makes any sense. Demon hunters MIGHT have been possible, at one point, before metamorphosis was given to warlocks. But after warlocks got that, it was the nail in the coffin for them. Demon Hunters cannot exist as long as warlocks have meta because that was the biggest, most defining feature of the entire demon hunter hero. They would have to have it and it just doesn't make sense giving it to two classes. The one and ONLY time that has ever been done was giving Death Knights the Death Coil ability when warlocks already had it. The big difference though is DK's still had 3 more abilities that no existing class used: Death Pact, Army of the Dead, and Unholy Aura. And they built a class on those remaining abilities and also said fuck it, we'll give them death coil too. But demon hunters have nothing left. There is absolutely NOTHING to build upon to create a class for them aside from the fact they are blind dudes and dual wield glaives and that is exactly what rogues did during burning crusade, they dual wielded warglaives and had the blindfold on to give the feels of being a demon hunter.

    And how would demon hunter weapons work? Add a new weapon type only usable by them? Inflate the loot table with more shit only one class can use like hunter weapons do? No. That would be stupid. Or maybe add glaives that ANYONE could use? Well then you'd have warriors and rogues running around with warglaives and you'd lose your demon hunter feels anyway. Or maybe they should just use any one hand weapons but get special demon hunter glaives they can transmog to. But would that one set please you forever? How long till you start demanding a fancy new transmog look for your glaives every raid tier?

    Demon hunters are just too ridiculous to work. Far too many issues. It is never going to happen and people just need to accept it. But instead they come back in full force before every new expansion saying it's gonna happen this time. Every single time.
    Mmmmmhmhmhmhmhahahahahahaha

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeones View Post
    Where is the design space for demon hunters?

    This announcement was so shocking and utterly baffling. I feel that in doing this they have literally shit on other classes.
    A Melee class with high mobility as the monk that deals magic damage? I hope it uses Int as a primary stat (allthough that's almost meaningless now)

  8. #288
    Quote Originally Posted by Talen View Post
    Please point out to me the player Demon Hunter who has Meta.

    EJL
    *Points at the Demon Hunter class*

    Satisfied now?
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    "Real" Demon Hunters don't work as a class in modern WoW
    Quote Originally Posted by Talen View Post
    Please point out to me the player Demon Hunter who has Meta.

  9. #289
    Nice to see the haters finally proven wrong. Come on, we all knew this was gonna happen. Demon Hunter was the most anticipated class ever. You guys were just in denial.

  10. #290
    I know I shouldn't be gloating, but this was a 2 year intellectual battle that seemingly never ends. I don't think I'll have more weight lifted off my mind than today.
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    "Real" Demon Hunters don't work as a class in modern WoW
    Quote Originally Posted by Talen View Post
    Please point out to me the player Demon Hunter who has Meta.

  11. #291
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skulltaker View Post
    A Melee class with high mobility as the monk that deals magic damage? I hope it uses Int as a primary stat (allthough that's almost meaningless now)
    As an ex-monk main, I hope for the love of god they don't end up gutting the shit out of Demon Hunters the expansion after the upcoming one. I'm also relatively salty that demon hunters are going to be more mobile and have more of an action style combat than monks, which IMO should've had such a design to begin with >_>

    Oh well. At least now I can double jump, dash quickly and even negate 1 spell/ability.

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    As an ex-monk main, I hope for the love of god they don't end up gutting the shit out of Demon Hunters the expansion after the upcoming one. I'm also relatively salty that demon hunters are going to be more mobile and have more of an action style combat than monks, which IMO should've had such a design to begin with >_>
    Maybe, for me, the DH should be the class with best mobility (and HOTS amplified that feeling). Maybe it's just a personal perception of what you want, but I had that feeling and Legion has proven that I was right.
    Last edited by Belisaurio; 2015-08-07 at 09:34 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    No, the obvious fact is that this tweet supports the other evidence that Blizzard has no intention of ever implementing this class.
    Thanks for the signature, Teriz.

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    So how many people will be rushing their demon hunters to black temple then? Killing their boss to get glaives so they can meet their boss again.

    I will be happy to get glaives on my DK (got offhand atm) so I can see if there is any lore snippet he does with these items.

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    Quote Originally Posted by khalltusk View Post
    So how many people will be rushing their demon hunters to black temple then? Killing their boss to get glaives so they can meet their boss again.

    I will be happy to get glaives on my DK (got offhand atm) so I can see if there is any lore snippet he does with these items.
    As soon as I get out of the starting zone it's BT every week.

  16. #296
    Quote Originally Posted by khalltusk View Post
    So how many people will be rushing their demon hunters to black temple then? Killing their boss to get glaives so they can meet their boss again.

    I will be happy to get glaives on my DK (got offhand atm) so I can see if there is any lore snippet he does with these items.
    We'll probably be getting a better, upgradable version of Azzinoth blades as an Artifact, so there's no point to do that really. You can't even transmog legendaries.
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    "Real" Demon Hunters don't work as a class in modern WoW
    Quote Originally Posted by Talen View Post
    Please point out to me the player Demon Hunter who has Meta.

  17. #297
    Quote Originally Posted by Feali View Post
    Then why not just link the imgur:



    I think that's just fan service :P
    Not even a fan service, just cracking a joke at people who wanted Demon Hunter and got monks instead. This isn't a comment that should be considered as lore-significant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dasani View Post
    Arguing against demon hunter is like arguing religion, it is so taxing.

    The horrible reality is, even after gamescon when everyone finds out it isn't going to be demon hunter because demon hunter won't work in the game, idiots will just keep clinging to that belief and keep saying "IT'LL HAPPEN SOME DAY!" and every damn expansion from now until WOW ends they'll keep swearing up and down that "this will be the one" that adds demon hunter. There is no winning against them, despiste how many times they have lost and will continue to lose.

    It has been this wow since the beginning. Everyone kept saying Demon Hunter will be added next expansion, starting with burning crusade (which would've made the most sense) and continuing on into forever.
    I am laughing so freaking hard right now it's not even funny. Omgerd I can't breathe this is pure 100% gold. OMFG!!!!! Totally worth the ensuing infraction.
    Let's get 1 thing straight, I'm not

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    Quote Originally Posted by serendipity11 View Post
    I am laughing so freaking hard right now it's not even funny. Omgerd I can't breathe this is pure 100% gold. OMFG!!!!! Totally worth the ensuing infraction.
    Sylvanas we agreed you would not use Val'kyr to reanimate threads. Now apologize, go to your room and revel in that sweet sense of satisfaction.

    I will concede though as Eobard Thawne would say, it probably 'was' totally worth it.

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    those topics are so funny

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