Roy Moore: allegations of sexual misconduct with minors

[Breccia]

So now that Trump and the RNC have endorsed Moore -- yes, it's official, that is a reversal for the RNC -- Hatch had the best explanation.

"I don't think he had any choice but to do that," Hatch told the White House press pool on Tuesday. "That's the only Republican we can get down there."

Let that sink in.

Roy Moore, is the only Republican, they can get down there.

[Orbitus]

So now that Trump and the RNC have endorsed Moore -- yes, it's official, that is a reversal for the RNC -- Hatch had the best explanation.



Let that sink in.

Roy Moore, is the only Republican, they can get down there.

Again, why am I not surprised that they are flip floppers? Literally all of them are.

[Grapemask]

After this, anyone subscribing to the Republican party has officially lost any ability to claim a moral high ground. Any high ground, really. This kind of flip flop and support of a pedophile is a pretty fucking disgusting new low for partisan hackery.

[Breccia]

Some people still have ethics, morals, and standards.

Flake: 'A Roy Moore victory is no victory for the GOP and the nation'

Sen. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.) joined Mitt Romney’s condemnation of Alabama Senate candidate Roy Moore (R), saying that a “Moore victory is no victory for the GOP and the nation.”

Original source.

[Paranoid Android]

Well, I guess my Senator Al Franken gets a pass. I know people are going to say Moore as a pedophile is worse. While I agree I thought Franken may have to resign. Now, Bleep It! Franken should definitely stay.

[Edge-]

Some people still have ethics, morals, and standards.

Flake: 'A Roy Moore victory is no victory for the GOP and the nation'



Original source.

But the tax plan is?

Fuck off, Flake.

[Paranoid Android]

Read this on Twitter. While a twisted point it's true. Conservatives were sure on top to make sure Democrats give back donations from Harvey Weinstein. Now they are putting money into Alabama Senate race.

[Trifle]

To be fair, Republicans are massive homophobes. So it's not surprising they don't want to take the (D).

[Dontrike]

And yet he will win the Senate seat regardless, because Doug Jones has a (D) next to his name on the ballot.

It's weird that Republicans hate people with D in their name. Dougs aren't evil.

Well, I guess my Senator Al Franken gets a pass. I know people are going to say Moore as a pedophile is worse. While I agree I thought Franken may have to resign. Now, Bleep It! Franken should definitely stay.

As petty as that is it is I would have to agree, but I will still say he deserved to be fired still (just far less than Moore, or Trump).

[Smitzelplix]

To be fair, Republicans are massive homophobes. So it's not surprising they don't want to take the (D).

Some of them however love to take the (D) all night long behind closed doors and just pretend to be homophobes in public.

[rogueMatthias]

As with Takei, Spacey and all the other hundreds of allegations, this needs to go to court before anyone's stepping down or fired imo.

If there's evidence and prosecution get rid of him. If we make people step down because of accusations without due process this is far too strong a political weapon and politics will become (even more of) a shit show.

[Draco-Onis]

As with Takei, Spacey and all the other hundreds of allegations, this needs to go to court before anyone's stepping down or fired imo.

If there's evidence and prosecution get rid of him. If we make people step down because of accusations without due process this is far too strong a political weapon and politics will become (even more of) a shit show.

He's openly racist homophobic and has admitted that as a 38 year old district attorney he was going to recitals to drool over 15 year old girls which is where he met his wife. Roy Moore being Roy Moore is disqualifying if the republican party didn't lose their dam minds he would have never made it past the primaries.

Unless you are one of those who thinks a guy nearly in his 40's chasing 15 year old girls is not pedophilia.

[rogueMatthias]

Unless you are one of those who thinks a guy nearly in his 40's chasing 15 year old girls is not pedophilia.

If he's hitting on 16 year old girls than that's gross, but from what I can tell isn't illegal there.

If there's due process and he's found guilty of chasing 15 year old girls then fire him. I've always thought it was "innocent until proven guilty" and not "Innocent unless I disagree with them politically, in which case they should step down regardless of trial or evidence".

Very weird to hold actors to the same standards as politicians.

No it's not. It's called the LAW. This isn't about "Holding people to standards", it's about following the legal process to assess guilt or innocence before bringing down people's whole lives and careers.

If it's a continual trial by press and mob justice, this will fuck things up for everyone sooner or later.

Follow due process - If he's guilty, fire him!

[Iphie]

As with Takei, Spacey and all the other hundreds of allegations, this needs to go to court before anyone's stepping down or fired imo.

If there's evidence and prosecution get rid of him. If we make people step down because of accusations without due process this is far too strong a political weapon and politics will become (even more of) a shit show.

I agree with let justice run it's course, however that's a tad difficult in this case as the statue of limitations has expired (is that the correct term?), he literally cannot be prosecuted anymore. So the court of public opinion is all there is. Certainly not ideal but what do you suggest is done otherwise?.

[rogueMatthias]

I agree with let justice run it's course, however that's a tad difficult in this case as the statue of limitations has expired (is that the correct term?), he literally cannot be prosecuted anymore. So the court of public opinion is all there is. Certainly not ideal but what do you suggest is done otherwise?.

But this has nothing to do with legal action, it has to do with social action. Social action is not beheld to legal standards but to whichever standards society (or the market) decides to impose.

It's bad but we just might not be able to do anything then.

Some times evil people get away with evil shit, but if he's fired now and shamed and replaced with no trial, just based on accusations it leads us into a dangerous world. Likewise we can't just chose who is or isn't guilty based on who we like or agree with. "There's no smoke without fire" doesn't really add up when so much money and power is involved.

Imagine we're in the next election cycle and Bernie Sanders is the democractic nominee. 2 Months before the election, 6 guys come forward to say he touched them up when they were 11-12. (Politics has enough money, power and corruption that this isn't implausible). WTF do we do now? Statue of limitations are over, we can't prove Bernie guilty or innocent either way... If "Social action is not beheld to legal standard" do we just assume they're true too, get rid of him, get a new candidate and fuck over the whole election?

[unfilteredJW]

It's bad but we just might not be able to do anything then.

Some times evil people get away with evil shit, but if he's fired now and shamed and replaced with no trial, just based on accusations it leads us into a dangerous world. Likewise we can't just chose who is or isn't guilty based on who we like or agree with. "There's no smoke without fire" doesn't really add up when so much money and power is involved.

Imagine we're in the next election cycle and Bernie Sanders is the democractic nominee. 2 Months before the election, 6 guys come forward to say he touched them up when they were 11-12. (Politics has enough money, power and corruption that this isn't implausible). WTF do we do now? Statue of limitations are over, we can't prove Bernie guilty or innocent either way... If "Social action is not beheld to legal standard" do we just assume they're true too, get rid of him, get a new candidate and fuck over the whole election?

Be more disingenuous.

Your apathy disguised as intellectualism isn't fooling anyone.

[Dontrike]

It's bad but we just might not be able to do anything then.

Some times evil people get away with evil shit, but if he's fired now and shamed and replaced with no trial, just based on accusations it leads us into a dangerous world. Likewise we can't just chose who is or isn't guilty based on who we like or agree with. "There's no smoke without fire" doesn't really add up when so much money and power is involved.

Imagine we're in the next election cycle and Bernie Sanders is the democractic nominee. 2 Months before the election, 6 guys come forward to say he touched them up when they were 11-12. (Politics has enough money, power and corruption that this isn't implausible). WTF do we do now? Statue of limitations are over, we can't prove Bernie guilty or innocent either way... If "Social action is not beheld to legal standard" do we just assume they're true too, get rid of him, get a new candidate and fuck over the whole election?

In your example did Bernie Sanders admit in multiple interviews that he did it, the fact he was banned from malls for doing it, and there's two pieces of evidence with his own handwriting in it of him doing it, because that's what we have here with Moore. If a man literally says he dated and tried to date underage girls then why exactly should be wait for a trial when he told us himself?

Him not being elected is not being fired, him being fired before the trial would be possibly(?) illegal, but the people not accepting his behavior and the fact he's a terrible human being in general and therefore not voting for him isn't wrong.

When there is zero evidence outside of what the "victim(s)" say then yes what you described is a reason to wait for the trial and to see what the final verdict is, but unfortunately your hypothetical falls flat when you forget all of the things that surround Moore in this scandal.

[downnola]

https://www.npr.org/2017/12/04/56827...rses-roy-moore

Just over a week ahead of Alabama's special Senate election, President Trump and the Republican National Committee confirmed Monday they are standing behind embattled GOP nominee Roy Moore's campaign.

You either have moral standards or you don't. If a seat in the senate is worth someone like Moore to you, then you deserve the moral corruption that comes with him. Like I said a few posts ago, the GOP is fucking lost.

[Wyrt]

https://www.npr.org/2017/12/04/56827...rses-roy-moore



You either have moral standards or you don't. If a seat in the senate is worth someone like Moore to you, then you deserve the moral corruption that comes with him. Like I said a few posts ago, the GOP is fucking lost.

I never want to hear the GOP talk about "family values" or morality again.

[Mittens]

"Poppy, we need to make it clear there's a group of non-accusers."

Apparently, if there is a single citizen who has not accused Moore that is enough to clear him and fit for office.