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    Trump's Deutsche Bank Records Said to Be Subpoenaed by Mueller

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    (Bloomberg) -- Special prosecutor Robert Mueller zeroed in on President Donald Trump’s business dealings with Deutsche Bank AG as his investigation into alleged Russian meddling in U.S. elections widens.
    Mueller has issued a subpoena to Germany’s largest lender, forcing the bank to submit documents on its client relationship with Trump and his family, said a person briefed on the matter, who asked not to be identified because the action has not been announced.
    “Deutsche Bank always cooperates with investigating authorities in all countries,” the lender said in a statement to Bloomberg, declining to provide additional information.

    Deutsche Bank for months has rebuffed calls by Democratic lawmakers to provide more transparency over the roughly $300 million Trump owed to the bank for his real estate dealings prior to becoming president. Representative Maxine Waters of California and other Democrats have asked whether the bank’s loans to Trump, made years before he ran for president, were in any way connected to Russia. The bank previously rejected those demands, saying sharing client data would be illegal unless it received a formal request to do so. Trump has denied any wrongdoing.

    Deutsche Bank management is ready to share information about the lender’s dealings with Trump and is hopeful that doing so will help end the series of inquiries from Democrats, said an executive at the bank who asked not to be identified discussing private deliberations.

    The news comes as Mueller’s investigation -- which is looking into alleged Russian interference into last year’s U.S. election and whether Trump’s winning campaign assisted in those efforts -- appears to be entering a new phase. Trump’s former national security adviser, Michael Flynn, plead guilty Friday to lying to FBI agents, becoming the fourth associate of the president ensnared by Mueller’s probe. More significantly, he also is providing details to Mueller about the Trump campaign’s approach to Flynn’s controversial meeting with a Russian envoy during the presidential transition.

    Democratic senators, including Dianne Feinstein, suggested after the Flynn plea that Mueller might be building an obstruction of justice case against Trump. But the Deutsche Bank subpoena may indicate that the special prosecutor is still looking at a wide range of data, including the president’s financial dealings.
    Mueller’s team has also been interviewing White House aides in recent weeks, including former Chief of Staff Reince Priebus, former spokesman Sean Spicer and National Security Council chief of staff Keith Kellogg, according to people familiar with the investigation.

    As Mueller’s investigation unfolds, Trump has gone on the offensive. Over the weekend on Twitter, he attacked the FBI and Mueller’s team and defended some of Flynn’s actions. In particular, Trump hailed the news that one of Mueller’s aides had been removed from his job over the summer for some anti-Trump text messages.

    On Monday, as he left the White House for a trip to Utah, Trump restated his sympathy for Flynn and his assertion that prosecutors should have pursued action against his general election rival, Hillary Clinton.
    I wonder how long we have until a twitter meltdown.

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    Given that Mueller picked specialists in money laundering prosecutions for his team, we can probably make a guess Mueller has reason to believe Trump was involved in money laundering and this request is a step towards looking into that.

    If the story is true, that doesn't bode well for Trump. Mueller must have some pretty solid reasons to subpoena a bank about the POTUS' financial records. I don't see him doing that lightly.

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    This angers the Trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drutt View Post
    Given that Mueller picked specialists in money laundering prosecutions for his team, we can probably make a guess Mueller has reason to believe Trump was involved in money laundering and this request is a step towards looking into that.

    If the story is true, that doesn't bode well for Trump. Mueller must have some pretty solid reasons to subpoena a bank about the POTUS' financial records. I don't see him doing that lightly.
    I think Mueller's going to go digging everywhere there could be wrongdoing of any kind. While this entire investigation was predicated on Russian collusion theories, they're really just looking for any kind of malfeasance. It's a wholesale investigation using "Russian Collusion" as a vehicle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PRE 9-11 View Post
    This angers the Trump.
    But so does everything with multiple syllables.
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    I'm surprised getting all of his bank records wasn't the day 1 agenda.

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    Mandatory mention of Hillary Clinton did bad things!

    Regardless who it is, i'm happy that white collar criminals get caught, punishment could be harsher however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacien View Post
    I think Mueller's going to go digging everywhere there could be wrongdoing of any kind. While this entire investigation was predicated on Russian collusion theories, they're really just looking for any kind of malfeasance. It's a wholesale investigation using "Russian Collusion" as a vehicle.
    They are checking where the money would likely go, if there was an exchange. Since Trump already has off shore accounts, it is likely the money would go there, instead of any of his American holdings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
    I'm surprised getting all of his bank records wasn't the day 1 agenda.
    They need more justification to subpoena a foreign bank. America first?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacien View Post
    I think Mueller's going to go digging everywhere there could be wrongdoing of any kind. While this entire investigation was predicated on Russian collusion theories, they're really just looking for any kind of malfeasance. It's a wholesale investigation using "Russian Collusion" as a vehicle.
    But it's important to note that Mueller probably wouldn't go digging around in Trump's finances unless there was some cause for concern. I don't think at the start of the investigation Mueller said "well I know this is supposed to be about election meddling, but I really want to look at Trump's finances too, just because."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacien View Post
    I think Mueller's going to go digging everywhere there could be wrongdoing of any kind. While this entire investigation was predicated on Russian collusion theories, they're really just looking for any kind of malfeasance. It's a wholesale investigation using "Russian Collusion" as a vehicle.
    That's the thing, any malfeasance perpetrated by Trump will have Russian fingerprints all over it. Consider the fact that Deutsche Bank was involved in a $10 billion dollar money laundering scheme out of their Moscow offices in the mid-2000's, and also loaned Trump over $300 million which he never paid back, with only silence from Deutsche Bank to show for it. This is more in-depth investigatory work that will show the entire picture of how premeditated the entire operation to get Trump in the White House with Russian counterintelligence was.
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    What i find funny is that Clintons have done many terrible things yet are not being investigated but yet they are investigating Trump over some bank he owns money?? which company doesnt own money to bank?? all of them do.

    This alone shows the Russian investigation is a hoax, they cant find anything on him so they are digging up things from somewhere else, its laughable that people believe this nonsense about Trump being connected to Russians.

    Mueller is a joke. #FakeStoryMadeUp

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    Quote Originally Posted by worldwide11 View Post
    What i find funny is that Clintons have done many terrible things yet are not being investigated but yet they are investigating Trump over some bank he owns money?? which company doesnt own money to bank?? all of them do.

    This alone shows the Russian investigation is a hoax, they cant find anything on him so they are digging up things from somewhere else, its laughable that people believe this nonsense about Trump being connected to Russians.

    Mueller is a joke. #FakeStoryMadeUp
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    Quote Originally Posted by worldwide11 View Post
    What i find funny is that Clintons have done many terrible things yet are not being investigated but yet they are investigating Trump over some bank he owns money?? which company doesnt own money to bank?? all of them do.

    This alone shows the Russian investigation is a hoax, they cant find anything on him so they are digging up things from somewhere else, its laughable that people believe this nonsense about Trump being connected to Russians.

    Mueller is a joke. #FakeStoryMadeUp
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    Quote Originally Posted by worldwide11 View Post
    What i find funny is that Clintons have done many terrible things yet are not being investigated but yet they are investigating Trump over some bank he owns money?? which company doesnt own money to bank?? all of them do.

    This alone shows the Russian investigation is a hoax, they cant find anything on him so they are digging up things from somewhere else, its laughable that people believe this nonsense about Trump being connected to Russians.

    Mueller is a joke. #FakeStoryMadeUp
    Yes, when a president that has been telling you how evil Hillary is, while screaming America First, has his German bank account investigated... you’ll continue to believe him...

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    Check his location... It might be one of those rapists and murderers we need a wall to guard from.
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    Hum, I wonder who's Alt account that was to get banned that fast.

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    find a property billionaire than hasn't taken kickbacks. I'd be suprised if he didnt take money from the East and even more suprised if there isn't some dubai shenanigans.

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    A good investigator likes to establish potential ties to something before subpoenaing something. Follow the money and all that.

    People not doing that is one of the reasons the Independent counsel law lapsed in the 90's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
    I'm surprised getting all of his bank records wasn't the day 1 agenda.
    The special prosecutor has a mandate. He could only do that if he found evidence of wrong doing related to his finances while investigating russian collusion. Just because he's a special prosecutor doesn't mean he doesn't have to follow the rules about subpoenas and warrants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ctd123 View Post
    find a property billionaire than hasn't taken kickbacks. I'd be suprised if he didnt take money from the East and even more suprised if there isn't some dubai shenanigans.
    There are definitely Uzbek shenanigans, he built a hotel over there with a Russian Oligarch.

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    So they are looking into if that loans somehow had a link to any form of Russian influence?

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