We're Taking Your President From You Episode III: Flynn Likely Flips

**Heladys** · 2017-12-05, 03:55 PM

Line item #43 on page 647: Hush money to suppress the peepee tape

**primalmatter** · 2017-12-05, 05:36 PM

Bit of offtopic banter but if Trump wins a second term can i make whatever number this thread is on next?

**Paranoid Android** · 2017-12-05, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by Breccia

For more information, let's turn to Reuters.

"Good for three!"

So:

Trump and his family.

Deutsche Bank, the known and admitted Russian money laundering front.

Deutsche Bank, who refused to hand over information to investigations before.

Well, anyone else think Deutsche Bank will just flat-out lie to Mueller? Because if they don't, if they tell Mueller "Oh yes, Trump is using laundered Russian money to run his DC hotel, from which he profits" at the very minimum he loses the hotel.

I mean cmon this has to be so lovely for Angela Merkel. I mean I hope she would throw any influence she has on Deutsche Bank to of course help her American ally out as much as she can. I would love Merkel sitting in her room saying "I got you now asshole".

Seriously, if banks have as much influence politically as here in the U.S., then Merkel is powerless. Plus in Germany I don't know where they would draw the line of trying to convict a U.S. President.

**Dontrike** · 2017-12-05, 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by primalmatter

Bit of offtopic banter but if Trump wins a second term can i make whatever number this thread is on next?

And if he isn't elected will you make a thread about that?

**primalmatter** · 2017-12-05, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by Dontrike

And if he isn't elected will you make a thread about that?

I guess but I imagine that will be a hard one to get first post in given these forums.

**DarkTZeratul** · 2017-12-05, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by rogueMatthias

But even Trumps impeachment won't get the Democrats in to office.

People keep pointing this out like it's some sort of fucking surprise. It's not. If Trump goes we'd still have a Republican president, but it would be a COMPETENT Republican president. That's what you don't get: THIS IS NOT ABOUT DEMOCRATS VERSUS REPUBLICANS. This is about removing an incompetent, narcissistic manchild who not only has no fucking clue what the job entails but whose ego is actively destroying America's international relations and ceding every single advantage and leadership position we have to other countries who are more than happy to step into the power vacuum Trump is creating by failing so spectacularly to do his job. This is a man who fired most of our diplomats and says we don't need to replace them because he's really the most important person and we just need to do what he says. This is a man who casually gave classified intelligence from an allied country to a country that is most definitely NOT our ally. This is a man who is openly insulting the leaders of hostile nations and denigrating the leaders of allied nations. This is a man who is dismissive of our own intelligence agencies. This is a man who is undoing policies both foreign and domestic for the sole reason that they were enacted by his predecessor, no matter what damage their removal causes. This is a man who has signaled that he is willing to unilaterally abandon agreements signed with other nations even when those nations are still holding up their end of the agreement. This is a man who is so uniquely unqualified for the office that he is causing possibly irreparable harm to our nation and our nation's reputation, and the longer he's allowed to get away with it the more likely he is to do something truly terrible that cannot ever be undone. Like, for example, nuclear war with North Korea.

**alexw** · 2017-12-05, 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390

Wow this shit is going fast, Didn't expect something like that this soon.

Can't wait to see Trump rage about it.

So now that Flynn is nailed to the wall, it looks like the Trump family are the next target. Whatever Flynn has given him, its big.

**Breccia** · 2017-12-05, 07:59 PM

This OP ED piece mentions a crucial feature most people missed:

[Expelling a Persona Non Grata] is the complex process and very high threshold to keep in mind when looking at President Obama’s actions against Russia last December. In response to Russia’s election hacking, the U.S. expelled not just one, but 35 spies posing as diplomats — the strongest response ever to a cyberattack against the U.S.

In addition, President Obama made a public statement on the expulsions, calling them a “necessary and appropriate response to efforts to harm U.S. interests in violation of established international norms of behavior.” Both the magnitude of the sanctions and the public condemnation by the president was intended to send as sharp a rebuke as possible to Russia’s attack on our democracy.

As Flynn’s plea deal reveals, the Trump transition team immediately made a concerted effort to undermine the signal that the United States was sending. In particular, Flynn, with the approval of “senior transition officials” (identified in reporting as Jared Kushner and Katie McFarland), sought to discourage Russia from escalating the situation. Flynn reportedly promised that the Trump administration’s foreign policy goals would be more conciliatory.

By relaying this message covertly (and in spite of a "pointed request" by the Obama administration to avoid sending mixed signals to foreign officials), the Trump team negated the message being sent by the United States to Russia — and effectively put its stamp of approval on Russia’s efforts.

And then, Trump didn't deliver. See also: crying like a bitch. Russia responded by expelling hundreds upon hundreds of US diplomats and staff, and by Trump's own admission, relations with Russia are now worse than ever. They're even openly backing North Korea.

Focusing on whether the Trump campaign and transition team broke the law misses the bigger picture. By secretly sabotaging a measure designed to protect America’s sovereignty in the face of a foreign attack, these individuals acted against the interest of the United States and aided our adversary. Now they are the stewards of the country and its institutions. Whatever happens in a court of law, that is what should concern us all.

The author is a former FBI special agent, who has been involved in the Persona Non Grata process personally (i.e. determining if someone is a spy that needs to be ejected).

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Originally Posted by alexw

Whatever Flynn has given him, its big.

Yes, but, I don't see at first glance how Flynn could have given him something about Trump family finances. This seems not directly related to Flynn -- if I'm wrong, I'm very curious how -- but it does fit in everything else we've seen so far.

**mvaliz** · 2017-12-05, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by alexw

So now that Flynn is nailed to the wall, it looks like the Trump family are the next target. Whatever Flynn has given him, its big.

To get all THOSE charges dropped (avoiding 60 years in prison) to get the one lying to the FBI charge to hold - you HAVE to have coughed up some seriously juicy bits! >_<

I only have two questions at this point:

1) Will they go after Jeff Sessions before the Dumbass Dump family members?
((My opinion is they won't, because that opens up Dump's ability to fire Muller [[assuming, of course, that Muller's firing is not a part of Muller's plan/strategy!]]))

2) Will Muller's next targets be convicted before Christmas or not?
((My opinion is they won't. Notice Flynn was able to experience one last happy Thanksgiving with his family before all Hell broke lose for him right after? I don't believe that's a coincidence... ;P))

**alexw** · 2017-12-05, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by Breccia

Yes, but, I don't see at first glance how Flynn could have given him something about Trump family finances. This seems not directly related to Flynn -- if I'm wrong, I'm very curious how -- but it does fit in everything else we've seen so far.

Its not that Flynn has given Mueller information on the Trump family finances, but that he has given him something that allows a case to be built /charges brought against members of Trump's family. Moving onto their financial affairs means he is in a position to widen the scope beyond just the initial did they collude question. If that question had not been answered he would still be digging in other area's and not yet ready to move on.

**Skroe** · 2017-12-05, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by Shon237

Oh yeah!

https://twitter.com/guardian/status/938004658303459328

Now this is where I'm not a fan of Mueller. They don't leak. I would LOVE to see what all his bank records show, namely wealth. I know the real dirt will come out during the prosecution.

Im gonna make an image at this just so we can wave it in some people's faces.

@Tijuana @Ransath @Dacien

Your President is under investigation. But of course, he has been the entire time.

**mvaliz** · 2017-12-05, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by Breccia

Yes, but, I don't see at first glance how Flynn could have given him something about Trump family finances. This seems not directly related to Flynn -- if I'm wrong, I'm very curious how -- but it does fit in everything else we've seen so far.

Payouts gotta be made somehow! :P

Also consider Muller's methods. Chances are he didn't just go after Flynn, but also his very VERY dirty son who more than most likely had monetary connections with Russia and Dumbass Dump. Flynn probably also bargained for his Son/family not getting charged in exactly the same way Muller nabbed the Enron criminals via going after their family members who were also involved.

**alexw** · 2017-12-05, 08:12 PM