How to make Void Elves work

[Friendlyimmolation]

Lol what? Void elves are not high elves, unless I missed the part where it was high elven tradition and part of their every day moral alignment to fuck with the void. Unless you are saying hypocrisy is a high elven trait.

[Maxilian]

Lol what? Void elves are not high elves, unless I missed the part where it was high elven tradition and part of their every day moral alignment to fuck with the void. Unless you are saying hypocrisy is a high elven trait.

Just kill Veressa and you may see many HE flocking Alleria for guidance (and now the silly comment "Void Elves are High Elves" won't be wrong)

[Friendlyimmolation]

Just kill Veressa and you may see many HE flocking Alleria for guidance (and now the silly comment "Void Elves are High Elves" won't be wrong)

That works too, “we left because we couldn’t handle killing mana wyrms to survive, but void? Sign me the fuck up”

[Garfurion]

That works too, “we left because we couldn’t handle killing mana wyrms to survive, but void? Sign me the fuck up”

Once High/Blood Elves see the sexy tentacles they all want to go Void

[Maxilian]

Once High/Blood Elves see the sexy tentacles they all want to go Void

Maybe not after they see it, but after a Wild night with a VE and see the... "utility" it brings, everything will change :P

[ravenmoon]

Lol what? Void elves are not high elves, unless I missed the part where it was high elven tradition and part of their every day moral alignment to fuck with the void. Unless you are saying hypocrisy is a high elven trait.

you missed the point. Channelling the void is not a moral compromise that disqualifies you from being a high elf.. otherwise Alleria Windrunner would be denounced by the High elven group and she is not. In fact she is a hero amongst them and the alliance, and they trust her judgement and appreciate the new power she brings - with a heart to help save Azeroth which is very noble, very high elven and very alliance.

[Friendlyimmolation]

you missed the point. Channelling the void is not a moral compromise that disqualifies you from being a high elf.. otherwise Alleria Windrunner would be denounced by the High elven group and she is not. In fact she is a hero amongst them and the alliance, and they trust her judgement and appreciate the new power she brings - with a heart to help save Azeroth which is very noble, very high elven and very alliance.

So draining mana =bad not high elf.

Using the void and being a danger to everyone around you, had to be saved by maguffin Alleria = high elf?

Blood elves wanted to save their civilization, that means they are high elves tried and true.

[ravenmoon]

So draining mana =bad not high elf.

Using the void and being a danger to everyone around you, had to be saved by maguffin Alleria = high elf?

Blood elves wanted to save their civilization, that means they are high elves tried and true.

No, because blood elves intentionally rejected their high elven ideals and principles wholesale choosing to loathe them and re-invent themselves AFTER they changed their name. THey were fuelled by the trauma, anger, grief and intense pain Arthas' undead army inflicted on them. THey took to sucking mana out of living beings to sate their addiction and preserve their lusts. High elves did not, proving such a detestable move was not necessary for survival. And we know they were blood elves who also viewed it this way, rejected this ideal and left Silvermoon or got exiled, choosing to return to being high elves.

THis is entirely different form the story of the void, and we both know it. The void is dangerous, no doubt, but it is embraced to help save the world from what is to come (Alleria) and initially to aid Silvermoon (Umbric and later save the world) - it was not to sate an addictioni or self preservation, neithe rwas teh intention to embrace evil or corruption to gain power for the sake of it. This is a noticeable difference.

Also we know they are thrown out of Quel'thalas not because the blood elves view the wielding powerful but dangerous magics as a bad thing..that would be hypocritical seeing that is what the blood elves are founded on (And is why the void elf population made more sense to originate from blood elves and not high elves), they were expelled because Alleria's visit to the well triggered an event that could have jeopardised the sunwell and was wrongly attributed to void magic usage - but it was a being trying to reach out to the sunwell and capture it - but Rommath/THeron didn't believe Alleria on this, and in their ignorance concluded that void usage was dangerous to the sunwell and because of that they are exiled.

The way the story is presented actually fits the void elves very much in the league of noble mindedness akin to the high elves they once were but with an edge given they are channelling a dangerous dark power - they are shown to have the ability to master and keep themselves sane - it is not too unlike the DHs, except no elf has fallen to the void like some DHs went over to the legion. Showing Alleria and Umbric's high elves (once blood elves) are top notch elves.. this is reflected.

It is a well crafted story that fits well and wraps up things neatly. With void elves being exiled blood elves turned high elves again, they can get a much larger number, and they fix the ideals thing by making their objective a selfless one and it is recognized as noble and heroic despite the risk, and also give a very compelling reason why void elves won't be part of the horde, therefore entirely alliance..at least for now.

[Friendlyimmolation]

No, because blood elves intentionally rejected their high elven ideals and principles wholesale choosing to loathe them and re-invent themselves AFTER they changed their name. THey were fuelled by the trauma, anger, grief and intense pain Arthas' undead army inflicted on them. THey took to sucking mana out of living beings to sate their addiction and preserve their lusts. High elves did not, proving such a detestable move was not necessary for survival. And we know they were blood elves who also viewed it this way, rejected this ideal and left Silvermoon or got exiled, choosing to return to being high elves.

Yea, they totally reject high elves, which is why one of their leaders talks about upholding tradition. They reject traitors and rable rousers, not high elves.

The only high elves that survived did so by whoring themselves out to humans, or sucking magic out of artifacts. Refusing magic lead to permanent potential mental and physical damage. Truly nobel.

THis is entirely different form the story of the void, and we both know it. The void is dangerous, no doubt, but it is embraced to help save the world from what is to come (Alleria) and initially to aid Silvermoon (Umbric and later save the world) - it was not to sate an addictioni or self preservation, neithe rwas teh intention to embrace evil or corruption to gain power for the sake of it. This is a noticeable difference.

Uh, just because you start out with a goal to protect your lands doesn’t make you noble if it entails using void magic, and he. Still pursuing it after it’s deemed a danger to your people.

Blood elves drained mana so they could save their civilization and to get the sunwell back, void elves fucked with the void even after it could have hurt the sunwell.

Also we know they are thrown out of Quel'thalas not because the blood elves view the wielding powerful but dangerous magics as a bad thing..that would be hypocritical seeing that is what the blood elves are founded on (And is why the void elf population made more sense to originate from blood elves and not high elves), they were expelled because Alleria's visit to the well triggered an event that could have jeopardised the sunwell and was wrongly attributed to void magic usage - but it was a being trying to reach out to the sunwell and capture it - but Rommath/THeron didn't believe Alleria on this, and in their ignorance concluded that void usage was dangerous to the sunwell and because of that they are exiled.

He presence allowed for a portal to be opened, that isn’t a assumed danger, it’s a confirmed one.

The way the story is presented actually fits the void elves very much in the league of noble mindedness akin to the high elves they once were but with an edge given they are channelling a dangerous dark power - they are shown to have the ability to master and keep themselves sane - it is not too unlike the DHs, except no elf has fallen to the void like some DHs went over to the legion. Showing Alleria and Umbric's high elves (once blood elves) are top notch elves.. this is reflected.

Alleria ended her audio drama knowing that she would fall to the void’s influence one day... how is that so often overlooked?

Nothing is novel about what they did. It’s like saying the Drakkari are noble for killing their gods to fight the scourge. They only didn’t go insane because of Alleria, not because of any top notch talent or will power. If Alleria knows she will fall to the void one day, so will they.

It is a well crafted story that fits well and wraps up things neatly. With void elves being exiled blood elves turned high elves again, they can get a much larger number, and they fix the ideals thing by making their objective a selfless one and it is recognized as noble and heroic despite the risk, and also give a very compelling reason why void elves won't be part of the horde, therefore entirely alliance..at least for now.

Your misuse of the term noble does not make the void elves high elves.....

Your argument makes just as much sense about the felblood, wanted to save their homeland, turned to dark powers = high elf.

I assume calling them high elves is a coping thing meant to make swallowing the void pill easier.

[Arrashi]

you missed the point. Channelling the void is not a moral compromise that disqualifies you from being a high elf.. otherwise Alleria Windrunner would be denounced by the High elven group and she is not. In fact she is a hero amongst them and the alliance, and they trust her judgement and appreciate the new power she brings - with a heart to help save Azeroth which is very noble, very high elven and very alliance.

Its stands against everything helves pretended to be when they left blood elves.

[Odinfrost]

Pretty sure that we should see Void Elves in the "Class" numbers and not in "Race" Numbers. Like there are about as many void elves (lorewise) as there is, say Death Knights or Demon Hunters

[ravenmoon]

Yea, they totally reject high elves, which is why one of their leaders talks about upholding tradition. They reject traitors and rable rousers, not high elves.

The only high elves that survived did so by whoring themselves out to humans, or sucking magic out of artifacts. Refusing magic lead to permanent potential mental and physical damage. Truly nobel.




Uh, just because you start out with a goal to protect your lands doesn’t make you noble if it entails using void magic, and he. Still pursuing it after it’s deemed a danger to your people.

Blood elves drained mana so they could save their civilization and to get the sunwell back, void elves fucked with the void even after it could have hurt the sunwell.



He presence allowed for a portal to be opened, that isn’t a assumed danger, it’s a confirmed one.



Alleria ended her audio drama knowing that she would fall to the void’s influence one day... how is that so often overlooked?

Nothing is novel about what they did. It’s like saying the Drakkari are noble for killing their gods to fight the scourge. They only didn’t go insane because of Alleria, not because of any top notch talent or will power. If Alleria knows she will fall to the void one day, so will they.



Your misuse of the term noble does not make the void elves high elves.....

Your argument makes just as much sense about the felblood, wanted to save their homeland, turned to dark powers = high elf.

I assume calling them high elves is a coping thing meant to make swallowing the void pill easier.

I disagree friendly. I think blizzard did a good job there, and the way they handle it, I feel pride in playing a void elf, and feel both noble and edgy at the same time. One not compromising the other. ANd of cthe scenario allows for other expressions and roleplay scenarios. Dangerous and edgy, yet brave and noble.

[StationaryHawk]

Where are all these corpses coming from? The Scourge didn't exactly make a habit of wasting perfectly good bodies.

[ravenmoon]

Its stands against everything helves pretended to be when they left blood elves.

Superficially yes, on a deeper level not really because it's not the same thing, and this is clear to see. Still, it is an edgier path. And Alleria remains high elven regardless, as those void elves will also return to be, despite their new power and form as void elves. It makes sense in my head and I'm satisfied and very pleased.

[Deleted]

you missed the point. Channelling the void is not a moral compromise that disqualifies you from being a high elf.. otherwise Alleria Windrunner would be denounced by the High elven group and she is not. In fact she is a hero amongst them and the alliance, and they trust her judgement and appreciate the new power she brings - with a heart to help save Azeroth which is very noble, very high elven and very alliance.

So, the secret for High Elven acceptance is to be double junky? The High Elves left because the Blood Elves were doing mana tapping (aka junkies), the Void Elves are Blood Elves that just went further.

I guess Alleria will recruit any remaining felblood, since it's now apparently High Elf also.

[Magnagarde]

This would basically turn Alleria into the void version of Sylvanas and the Windrunner Lich Queen 2.

Its stands against everything helves pretended to be when they left blood elves.

Pretty much. I guess that is why void elves are actually blood elves.

[Deleted]

Superficially yes, on a deeper level not really because it's not the same thing, and this is clear to see. Still, it is an edgier path. And Alleria remains high elven regardless, as those void elves will also return to be, despite their new power and form as void elves. It makes sense in my head and I'm satisfied and very pleased.

What is clear to see? That the Void Elves go against everything that the surviving High Elves standed for?

""Five years we rot here, thrown out of our homes at your behest because we refuse to suck magic from living things like vampires." Renthar began to rise from his seat, leaning across the table, truly shaking with rage. "And now you want to offer aid? After all we have been through, you come now? After what the Horde did to us in the name of that bastard human who called himself ranger? How blind do you think I am, Lor'themar? I should kill you. I should kill you and send Sylvanas your head!""

The Spirit of Renthar is probably shaming Alleria by now. And Lor'themar is laughing.

[Magnagarde]

with a heart to help save Azeroth which is very noble, very high elven and very alliance.

Crossing a treshold and nearly giving in to something dark, while in return getting a bargain in power is not very Alliance like, unless we're talking about a Benedictus level of Alliance-like. The Alliance is almost unitarily Light-based(ie human paladins, dwarven paladins, Naaru, Elune), which is why void is a complete no-no for the overall theme of the faction. Everyone around them is in constant danger lorewise.

I would've prefered a different approach, as in approaching a more extremist veneration of the Light within the Alliance that is borderline Scarlet Crusade in terms of retribution and vengeance.

[ravenmoon]

What is clear to see? That the Void Elves go against everything that the surviving High Elves standed for?

""Five years we rot here, thrown out of our homes at your behest because we refuse to suck magic from living things like vampires." Renthar began to rise from his seat, leaning across the table, truly shaking with rage. "And now you want to offer aid? After all we have been through, you come now? After what the Horde did to us in the name of that bastard human who called himself ranger? How blind do you think I am, Lor'themar? I should kill you. I should kill you and send Sylvanas your head!""

The Spirit of Renthar is probably shaming Alleria by now. And Lor'themar is laughing.

and when was the using the void sucking magic from living things to sate your own addiction? Different thing, the quote doesn't apply Tauror, you know it, and I know it.

[Deleted]

and when was the using the void sucking magic from living things to sate your own addiction? Different thing, the quote doesn't apply Tauror, you know it, and I know it.

Except, by Chronicles 1, the Void is a dark and vampiric force driven to devour all energy. The Void is the primordial vampirism, it consumes existence.

And the Void Elves are happily draining it.