Communism : Practical. Rational. Inevitable.

[Nadiru]

No, it's fucking not.

Do you consider North Korea a democratic republic just because it's called the Democratic People's Republic of Korea?

I can objectively say North Korea isn't a democratic republic, based on the facts. That is not fallacious logic.

The Bolsheviks were 10 for 10 in enacting the planks of the Manifesto. Just because they sucked doesn't mean they didn't look at the instruction manual. Then again you're an ancom so I'm not surprised you don't think the Soviets were real communism.

[Ahovv]

The Bolsheviks were 10 for 10 in enacting the planks of the Manifesto. Just because they sucked doesn't mean they didn't look at the instruction manual. Then again you're an ancom so I'm not surprised you don't think the Soviets were real communism.

Yeah, this is how retarded people are. I explicitly stated I think communism is idiotic just like any anarchist society, and yet I'm still going to be accused of liking communism because I corrected the definition.

Congratulations, fool.

[Xires]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GyWZr9H8qBY

If you don't believe me, take it from the beings that will make it possible.

On a more serious note, I just binge read a fair chunk of that debate.org page and recommend it to anyone whose mind isn't shut to challenging his beliefs : http://www.debate.org/opinions/is-communism-inevitable

Let us remind, yet again, that communism is just the common ownership of the means of proлduction. It doesn't have to be USSR-like.

Communism is someone else telling me what to think, feel, say, how to dress, how much I can eat, what I can eat, what I can own, how much I can own, I can own nothing under communism. Basically, Communism is someone else having complete power over my life...and you can take that kind of thinking and fuck right off to the soviet union. Communism has never worked, it will never work, and you only need to open a book to find that out.
Fuck Communism and the morons that believe it to be "inevitable".

[Zig Zug]

Communism: Impractical. Irrational. Evitable.

(Had to verify the last one, because I don't ever think I've seen it.)

[Xires]

I don't engage in such activity

Why don't you go find yourself another hentai avatar in your fap folder and don't derail this thread? Or I'll report your spam

Bernie Sanders is an idiot. He's never passed anything. Never worked a day in his life. Of course he wants your money.

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Its not real communism and you know it

How many people do you know are willing to work for nothing? Where is the incentive to be a Doctor or a Physicist when you can be a fry cook or mall security when you will get paid exactly the same? Which would be little or nothing. How will you give people incentive to create better technology's when you can't get people to go through the years of hard work to get there because...why should I work hard when I won't get anything more out of it? Communism is a government telling me what I can have and how much of it I can have. It tells me what I can say and think (or else). Take your Communism and shove it up your red ass.

Every single "Communist" ALWAYS says "Well, that wasn't true Communism" <-----because you can never achieve true Communism. Why? That human factor of SOMEBODY having to be in control. You look at the Liberal left today and how they come down on anyone that doesn't sport the "progressive" narrative and is automatically labeled some kind of traitor or a NAZI. That kind of behavior is just a shadow of what it would be like living under a Communism nation. No thanks. I'll take freedom of thought and movement over your Dictatorship anyday.

[fixit]

No, communism isn't good and has had a fair amount of time to prove itself. The main two powers that push it are on a different level of humanitarian disgraces and millions/tens of millions? of deaths in its effort to force its way. Hypocritical to say the least considering its equality bs. Mankind has always fought and as nations have grown the super powers couldn't all get it right. This one historically has only proven to blow goats. Get with the Western worlds program and your kids will have a better and safer life. If you think the atrocities of what has been going on over there are a secret you are a naive troll.

[Derpleton]

You forgot something

[Jaundiced]

And Mao wasn't a communist.

WHAT??? Mao wasn't a Communist???

Let me guess, neither was Stalin?

Fidel Castro? Pol Pot? Che Guevara?

[Ahovv]

WHAT??? Mao wasn't a Communist???

Let me guess, neither was Stalin?

Fidel Castro?

Once again.

Do you think North Korea is a democratic republic?

It seems the reason most people think China and the USSR were communist is due to their political party's name. So by that logic, North Korea must be a democratic republic since it's in their country's title.

If your argument isn't based on their party name, then explain how the USSR or China actually matches Marx's endgame for communism.

[Nadiru]

Yeah, this is how retarded people are. I explicitly stated I think communism is idiotic just like any anarchist society, and yet I'm still going to be accused of liking communism because I corrected the definition.

Congratulations, fool.

Even if you don't like it or even think they're real, just like there are varieties of capitalism there are also varieties of communism.

[xact4]

I am to the point where I do not even care if communism is sustainable long term. It is a nice idea and I want it do happen, but I am fed up and I really just want to see bourgeoisie heads on pikes. Men, women, children, I simply do not care anymore the bourgeoisie is my enemy. I have watched all my hopes and dreams for myself in life rot and decay due to the ruling class. I will mind the rules until revolution breaks out, but once it does. I am going to take out so much vengeance on rich people. I don't even care if I die in the process as long as I take some bourgeoisie with me and burn their house and possessions down.

I am tired of being a modern slave to the ruling class.

Please don't completely remove this guy from MMOC when he actually starts killing people mods. I want to document it and make ironic millions selling the movie rights to netflix. Another great documentary about the mental free fall of a serial killer as he descends into insanity.

Maybe you should sit down and write a book about all this nanook. You could call it "My Struggle" or something catchy like that.

[Deleted]

No thanks.
Communism and the countries that have adapted it as foundation killed MILLIONS of people.
It's absolutely clear, it's actual history. Facts.
I don't care how "nice" it may sound on paper, it does not work evidently.

[Ahovv]

Even if you don't like it or even think they're real, just like there are varieties of capitalism there are also varieties of communism.

Is North Korea a variety of a democratic republic? You all seem to be missing this point. I know, it's difficult.

[Polygons]

Democracy is way better than communism, so no.

[Nadiru]

Is North Korea a variety of a democratic republic? You all seem to be missing this point. I know, it's difficult.

Just because NoKo is a fake democratic regime doesn't mean that the Soviets are inherently a fake communist regime. We can tell which is real and which is genuine by remembering that words have definitions and see that North Korea doesn't follow any tenets of democratic rule, but the Soviets enacted the planks of the communist manifesto to the letter. Maybe you should be less agitated about getting called out on false equivalencies.

[kasuke06]

Communism is none of those things.

It's impractical because it has never once worked. It failed because at it's core it's an irrational concept. and it's far from inevitable as long as people wish to better themselves.

[Ahovv]

Just because NoKo is a fake democratic regime doesn't mean that the Soviets are inherently a fake communist regime. We can tell which is real and which is genuine by remembering that words have definitions and see that North Korea doesn't follow any tenets of democratic rule, but the Soviets enacted the planks of the communist manifesto to the letter. Maybe you should be less agitated about getting called out on false equivalencies.

Except they didn't. Anyone who remotely understands Marx would know with absolute certainty that the USSR was not the communist end-game. You would know that Marx's vision was anarcho-communism. I'm sorry you don't actually understand this.

Anyway, I'm bored with these word games. I don't support communism or socialism, it's just silly watching right-wingers attack "communism" without even being honest.

[OrcsRLame]

No, it's fucking not.

Do you consider North Korea a democratic republic just because it's called the Democratic People's Republic of Korea?

I can objectively say North Korea isn't a democratic republic, based on the facts. That is not fallacious logic.

That's an equivocation. We have examples of Democratic Republics that have vastly different characteristics compared to North Korea. We don't have examples of communist countries that work significantly differently than the USSR. I don't really care about dictionary definitions; I care about what I can observe with my senses. And it seems to me, that the USSR is the best example of communism that we had. Like, if you tried to say that the USSR wasn't real communism during the height of the Cold War shit would not have gone well for you. If you were in the USSR you would have been executed for treason and if you were in the US people would have looked at you like you were a 4 headed ape.

Furthermore, the fact that Maoist China turned out roughly the same, that is very telling to me. China is really really different than Russia, historically, culturally and environmentally. The fact that their version of communism turned out the same should be all you need to know. They both applied the principles and got to the same place. Just think of it this way. What is more likely; that of all the possible ways communism could have been implemented, they both fucked up the same things in the same way, or they both got it right? Imagine if that was a math problem. If you had 2 people do the same math problem and they come up with the same result, is it more likely they both made the exact same mistake or that they got it right?

[Ahovv]

That's an equivocation. We have examples of Democratic Republics that have vastly different characteristics compared to North Korea. We don't have examples of communist countries that work significantly differently than the USSR. I don't really care about dictionary definitions; I care about what I can observe with my senses. And it seems to me, that the USSR is the best example of communism that we had. Like, if you tried to say that the USSR wasn't real communism during the height of the Cold War shit would not have gone well for you. If you were in the USSR you would have been executed for treason and if you were in the US people would have looked at you like you were a 4 headed ape.

Furthermore, the fact that Maoist China turned out roughly the same, that is very telling to me. China is really really different than Russia, historically, culturally and environmentally. The fact that their version of communism turned out the same should be all you need to know. They both applied the principles and got to the same place. Just think of it this way. What is more likely; that of all the possible ways communism could have been implemented, they both fucked up the same things in the same way, or they both got it right? Imagine if that was a math problem. If you had 2 people do the same math problem and they come up with the same result, is it more likely they both made the exact same mistake or that they got it right?

I stopped reading after you acted like popular opinion is a valid argument. Why the fuck would I care what morons in the 1950s would think? That literally means nothing.

[OrcsRLame]

I stopped reading after you acted like popular opinion is a valid argument. Why the fuck would I care what morons in the 1950s would think? That literally means nothing.

If you're not going to read my argument than there's nothing to talk about. It's also funny that you're attacking the least important part of what I said.