Raider.IO Development Updates - Raids and Mythic Plus

[silverstarzs]

You do a +3 on reset day and it shows up. It's usually more effective towards the beginning of the week than just before reset.

factually . . . . it is 11am server time on Illidian US (12 noon est) and the 100th run on the leader board on two dungeons I just looked at are already +14's.

as someone has pointed out - we (most of us) are already running an .io add-on, that could collect dungeon runs directly and not have this shit with bliz's leaderboiard.

[Deleted]

I still have a hard time understanding why a tool is negative, cancer, toxic, etc. etc. It's people who use those tools in an inappropriate way and my best guess is none of you want to spend gaming time with such people ... so even a tool you whine about gives you information you can use to make your gaming more fun.

Or you peeps can continue bashing other peeps for actually doing something and taking feedback into account and replying to it too. Such constructive. Such awesome.

[Emancptr]

factually . . . . it is 11am server time on Illidian US (12 noon est) and the 100th run on the leader board on two dungeons I just looked at are already +14's.

as someone has pointed out - we (most of us) are already running an .io add-on, that could collect dungeon runs directly and not have this shit with bliz's leaderboiard.

You looked before reset because I'm looking at Illidan's leaderboard right now and there's not more than a handful (under 10 runs) of each dungeon. That means a +14 made it on the Illidan's leaderboard for the entire week.

I do agree that using the Raider.io addon to collect more complete data on M+ runs completed is a good idea.

[Cracked]

factually . . . . it is 11am server time on Illidian US (12 noon est) and the 100th run on the leader board on two dungeons I just looked at are already +14's.

as someone has pointed out - we (most of us) are already running an .io add-on, that could collect dungeon runs directly and not have this shit with bliz's leaderboiard.

That sure is a problem, for example on Tarren Mill EU you have to do +18 in most dungeons to ensure that you will 100% be in the leaderboard or group with someone from a dead realm (I believe it works that way) to appear on their leaderboards. However, addon cannot solve this, because it's literally impossible to fight spoofing, so you could just tell the site you did whatever dungeon regardless of not doing it. They could make it hard to spoof it, but it would always be a risk.

[Deleted]

The creator(s) of this website should be hung from a tree with his/her/their entrails out for all to see so that no one would repeat the same mistake of creating a 3RD PARTY database on players without asking for their consent.
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[kbtdadap]

they claim this is to "chk ppl to see if they know what they are doing". when in reality, its just a 3rd party leaderboard score to boost epeen of all rdy snowflake type elitists. Its utterly useless. we all have seen high score players doing shit in dungeons. the score means shit. just there to make the elitists have good "feelz". some sense of superiority complex has got these elitists trippin. The addon and all liek it ruined wow and is literally cancer. since gearscore right to raider.io and wowprogress. cancer brought on by a .0001% of players who NEED to validate themselves to others. or hold themselves above others in a ny sort of way. vanilla was when you got awesome gear that looked awesome to set the elitists apart from the peons. Now, they use addons like gs and raider.io.
TD:LR GS/RAIDER.io is cancer for wow and made by elitist snowflakes with superiority complexes that req they have some leaderboard/score to rank on. (EPEEN). Basically for and made by ppl who have no self worth unless they can brag about their superiority over others. Well that and they make money off the previous listed grp of ppl i listed. So even if the authors themselves arent tryhard elitists snowflakes, they use that grp to make money. Up to you to decide if thats lower slime than the elitist snowflakes themselves

[Caprix]

+14 in time on reset day doesn't register on my server (neither on the russian-tank945-in-bags we picked on LFG (without screening anything and which did just fine)'s server), you need +15 in time minimum this morning.
Start low and work your score, yeah.

[pseudoJ]

they claim this is to "chk ppl to see if they know what they are doing". when in reality, its just a 3rd party leaderboard score to boost epeen of all rdy snowflake type elitists. Its utterly useless. we all have seen high score players doing shit in dungeons. the score means shit. just there to make the elitists have good "feelz". some sense of superiority complex has got these elitists trippin. The addon and all liek it ruined wow and is literally cancer. since gearscore right to raider.io and wowprogress. cancer brought on by a .0001% of players who NEED to validate themselves to others. or hold themselves above others in a ny sort of way. vanilla was when you got awesome gear that looked awesome to set the elitists apart from the peons. Now, they use addons like gs and raider.io.
TD:LR GS/RAIDER.io is cancer for wow and made by elitist snowflakes with superiority complexes that req they have some leaderboard/score to rank on. (EPEEN). Basically for and made by ppl who have no self worth unless they can brag about their superiority over others. Well that and they make money off the previous listed grp of ppl i listed. So even if the authors themselves arent tryhard elitists snowflakes, they use that grp to make money. Up to you to decide if thats lower slime than the elitist snowflakes themselves

Yet the chance of 2.2k player performing poorly is SIGNIFICANTLY lower when looking at reasonably large sample o player compared to people with say 1k score. That is an undeniable fact and even though we all have contradictory experience they are just example of anecdotic evidence which doesn't apply in a general view.

The issue with the community is that people with high score are willing to indulge key owners with love score who wants to be boosted and require a group full of people with score significantly higher then their own. However even that is not always wrong.

[Cracked]

Yet the chance of 2.2k player performing poorly is SIGNIFICANTLY lower when looking at reasonably large sample o player compared to people with say 1k score. That is an undeniable fact and even though we all have contradictory experience they are just example of anecdotic evidence which doesn't apply in a general view.

The issue with the community is that people with high score are willing to indulge key owners with love score who wants to be boosted and require a group full of people with score significantly higher then their own. However even that is not always wrong.

Unfortunately, due to how broken the system is, that's not quite true. Getting 2200 score requires you to run all dungeons in time on 17, which is frankly ridiculously easy, provided you can get the keys. Someone with 5 dungeons done on 20, which is arguably way more skilled, is going to have 1k score.

[lockybalboa]

Good job TS, just keep promoting and developing this toxic, divisive and epeen flashing tool of yours. Come I clap for you
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My girlfriend and I have been working on a raid rankings site called Raider.IO. Given that this is a new website we’d love to get community feedback as far as suggestions, bug reports, and various thoughts (good or bad) if you have them. All of your input is valuable to us!

I'll be maintaining this thread to show our weekly updates as we make them.

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[UPDATES -- UPDATES -- UPDATES]


January 27, 2017

- Bosses on rankings pages are now sorted from left to right in the order in which the guild defeated those bosses
- Usability feature on the rankings pages to let you more easily scan the order in which guilds are killing bosses, done by hovering over a boss icon in the list.

February 7, 2017

Addition of realm pages, accessible via "Realms" in the nav bar:
- A list of all realms in a given region, grouped by the connected realm they are a part of
- The type, faction balance, language, and time zones for the realms
- And a chart indicating the distribution of raid progress for that realm at the chosen difficulty

February 14, 2017

- Add Guild page supports Realm Auto Complete
- View Time Since Guild's Previous Boss Kill on Rankings

February 21, 2017

- Mobile support added

March 1, 2017

Filter the Realms list to specific Time Zones or Languages:
- See only Oceanic realms: https://raider.io/the-nighthold/real...mezone/oceanic
- See only realms in US Eastern, Central, Mountain, or Pacific time zones: https://raider.io/the-nighthold/real...one/us-eastern
- See realms designated for a specific language: https://raider.io/the-nighthold/real...language/ru-ru

March 7, 2017

- Search for guilds, realms, bosses with auto suggested matches
- Disbanded guilds now hidden from rankings, with the exception of the Hall of Fame page

March 14, 2017

First iteration of guild pages:
- Guild progression across entire tier visible at a glance in the header
- Each raid's World / Region / Realm rankings visible together
- Per-boss World / Region / Realm rankings visible by clicking a row
- You can click any of the ranks on a Guild Page to jump to that page in the appropriate leaderboard
- Ability to queue guild directly from guild page

March 22, 2017

- Fixed a bug that was redirecting the realm rankings to the US rankings on individual guild pages
- Reformatted the timestamps so they are easier to read
- The guilds are now sorted in the search and shouldn't shuffle around like they did previously. At the moment the algorithm is trying to show the most "relevant" guilds first, but this might need some tweaking.
- Searching for a realm now returns connected realm results as well
- ASCII characters are treated as regular characters in the search field. This means if you search for "Mirage" you'll also find a match for the guild "Mîragè"

March 27, 2017

- Rosters have now been added to the guild pages, for first kills only (we plan on expanding this). There are problems we are working through where alts are showing up multiple times on kills - hoping to fix that soon.
- Connected realms now pull up in the search

April 4, 2017
- We have added resource links (example: relevant raid guides from wowhead and fatboss) to the sidebars on all rankings pages
- Speed improvements and bug fixes with our crawler

April 11, 2017
- Fixed bug where clicking Next/Prev on the rankings list would always scroll you back to the top of the page
- Fixed bug on guild page where the 'right chevron' that you click on didn't rotate to be a 'down chevron' after clicking it
- Added sidebar links to guild details page (latest raid links and general raiding links)
- Crawler performance updates: the crawler will now not re-crawl/process characters if they haven't been updated since the last time they were crawled


April 18, 2017
- Implemented the back end changes necessary to begin scanning new types of content - not visible to the user on the front end but important work nonetheless!
- We also took some community suggestions under advisement and modified the next/prev buttons on the ranking pages even further. Hopefully much nicer to use now.

April 26, 2017
- Character pages: View various progression details about characters by clicking on their names from any of the roster views.
- Character search: We have updated the search functionality to include the ability to search for individual characters.
- Add new character: From the same page you use to add a new guild to our database, you can now add your characters. http://raider.io/add
- Mythic+ support: You can view a character's Mythic+ experience by visiting their character page. This will provide details about all the ranked Mythic+ runs the player has completed (important note: you must rank on Blizzard's official Mythic+ leaderboard to have runs show up here). It also provides a detailed view of the composition of the group, including the usage of: Average item level/Artifact Traits, Legendaries, Trinkets, and Tier Set Bonuses. Example page: http://www.raider.io/characters/us/s...usher/Fiveguys

You can also link directly to a Mythic+ run to share them with your friends by clicking the share button in the top right corner of the run. Example page: http://www.raider.io/mythic-plus/runs/753047

May 4, 2017
- Mythic+ leaderboards (see post here for details: http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...1#post45602999)
- Increased mobile support for the M+ pages
- FAQ updated and given a place in the top bar navigation

May 5, 2017
- Added various Mythic+ links to sidebar on pages with Mythic+ data
- Added full resolution clear time to Mythic+ pages (showing milliseconds). This is on-hover on the rankings pages, and just listed out on an individual run's page.
- By default realms that are part of a connected realm will link to the connected realm when clicked. The only exception here is on the Realms listing page where you can individually click a realm to see it's page directly.
- Updated titles for all pages to represent what you are actually seeing on the page
- Trailing slashes will be automatically removed from the end of character/guild URLs
- Backend crawler speed improvements
- Added 404 "Page Not Found" Page

May 16, 2017
- Created a M+ leaderboard that merges all of the instances. This still needs a small visual update to include a column for the dungeon names, but the information is there for users to browse.
- Added the option to view the Mythic+ leaderboards in "strict" mode, which completely eliminates all runs that did not make the timer from the list.
- Added the ability to filter runs by affixes. Previously if you viewed a M+ dungeon's leaderboard you'd see all of the runs compared against eachother. You can still view it this way (it is the default setting) but if you want to drill down deeper you have the option to do so. The filters can be applied to both the default and strict leaderboards.
- We have updated tool tips in the "Run Time" column to show the amount of time a run went over or under the timer.
- You can queue up a server's m+ leaderboard for a scan on our queuing page. This is particularly useful for players that complete a run at the end of the week, close to the time that Blizzard resets their leaderboard. It's the best way to guarantee we get your run in before it's inaccessible.
- We have added better (less obtrusive) social media icons to the navigation bar.
- The FAQ has been updated with a little more information
- Fixed an issue where we weren't tracking M+ runs done by groups consisting of players entirely on Azjol-Nerub (sorry guys!)
- Fixed issue where characters with blank names sometimes showing up in M+ runs.
- Fixed issue with the dropdown navigation bars highlighting and staying highlighted in odd ways
- Fixed a bug with modal errors using white text on a white background, making the error message invisible
- Backend crawler performance optimizations

May 25, 2017
- Revised Mythic Plus Leaderboards: Timed Runs Leaderboard, All Runs Leaderboard, and Characters Leaderboard
- Per-character Mythic+ Rankings using a newly designed scoring algorithm
- See post here for the full details: http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...1#post45863670

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Some people may immediately wonder why anyone would bother making a site like this when one already exists. I have a few answers to that.

1.) It’s always good to have more options. Back in the day people said that same thing about Wowhead because everyone was used to Thottbot. Just because something out there already does the job, doesn’t mean there isn’t room to improve upon the idea or to try something a little different.

2.) Our guild is not a mythic raiding guild and we like the idea of people across multiple difficulties being represented within their respective “tiers”. This isn’t fully implemented yet but is definitely a priority for us. The idea of going to a rankings page and seeing how you compare against guilds similar to your own is very appealing to us.

3.) It’s a labor of love. We’ve been playing WoW since Vanilla and have run successful fansites in the past. We like doing it and between the two of us (she’s an artist and I'm a programmer) we feel like we have the tools to make the sort of site that *we* want to use, and we hope that other people will want to use as well!

All that said, we’re really appreciate any feedback you folks might have for us. The more constructive input we get in these early developmental stages the stronger we can make the website become as we put more time into it.

You can find the site here: https://raider.io

I think you site is promoting a cancerous behavior where M+ random groups are defined by an artificial M+ score that does not reflect much at all.

For instance I have like a 80 score because I did not play from Nighthold to recently but did a +20 BRH early in the expansion which is not covered by your site at all.

Afaik all I need for a good score is a +15 key at which point I can find a good carry boost group that will do my key for free for the weekly anyway.

[Farabee]

I think you site is promoting a cancerous behavior where M+ random groups are defined by an artificial M+ score that does not reflect much at all.

For instance I have like a 80 score because I did not play from Nighthold to recently but did a +20 BRH early in the expansion which is not covered by your site at all.

Afaik all I need for a good score is a +15 key at which point I can find a good carry boost group that will do my key for free for the weekly anyway.

Agreed. This is the Gearscore of Legion. Assigning an arbitrary number that doesn't check history from WoWProgress to allow people to be degenerate.

[dd614]

What exactly is stopping all you whiners from developing a better tool and making it available to everyone instead of MPH, raider, wowprog, etc.? Guess it would be productive and that doesn't fit your attitude ...

Yah I'll go learn code and get right on that.

[ItsTiddles]

Oh man the people have banded together and attacked today. Don't enjoy the website? Don't use it. Form your own groups. The addon has almost 500k downloads and plenty of people who appreciate them enough to be patrons. I can't imagine them shutting all of that down because some people suddenly have an issue with things that don't have to effect them.

[Protean]

"You are however not the voice of everyone. Not even close." Neither are you, so why bring it up. You're stating an opinion. I am stating an opinion. No need to be an ass about it.

Nah, I generally do one max level mythic a week, so my score is never very interesting.. though in 7.3 I did go ahead and attempt to level up a mythic score, which is now gone. It is a hassle to do every single dungeon when you've already done every single dungeon on this exact same difficulty (if not less difficult due to gearing), meaning the ones I did before are even more substantial than they are now (their words not mine), but those are wiped.

How is the tool "more accurate"? lol. Dungeons are getting easier as time goes by, not harder. So anyone capable of doing a +15 in "7.3" season should easily do it in this season--if anything they are less accurate because a lot of people who are capable will be at 0 instead of their 1500-3500 score they had. They've actually given up accuracy to make a prestige leader board that no one cares about.

Because you were the one who said 'no one gives a shit'. You aren't my emperor, you don't get to decide what I care about or not.

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Unfortunately, due to how broken the system is, that's not quite true. Getting 2200 score requires you to run all dungeons in time on 17, which is frankly ridiculously easy, provided you can get the keys. Someone with 5 dungeons done on 20, which is arguably way more skilled, is going to have 1k score.

Don't forget that if you're on a high-population server and do your run at the end of the week for whatever reason, the score won't be recorded at all. The system is too flawed to provide a reliable picture that helps differentiate between bad players and players with schedules/servers that don't allow them to score at all.


Imagine how sore the community would be if arena rating worked the same way.

[Lahis]

Oh man the people have banded together and attacked today. Don't enjoy the website? Don't use it. Form your own groups. The addon has almost 500k downloads and plenty of people who appreciate them enough to be patrons. I can't imagine them shutting all of that down because some people suddenly have an issue with things that don't have to effect them.

Because it is so widespread, this cancer affects literally everyoen who wants to do M+

[Bhorin]

You aren't my emperor, you don't get to decide what I care about or not

Do tell, how often do you view people past scores / dungeons completed aside from when the current season is new? You don't have to answer though because the answer is never. I am not deciding what you care about or not.. it's just no one actually cares about past scores (except maybe a few nerds who care about the silly leaderboard)

[Emancptr]

Because it is so widespread, this cancer affects literally everyoen who wants to do M+

Have you ever though to ask yourself, why it's so widespread? If the addon was complete garbage and the score meant nothing then people wouldn't use it. In this case, the proof is in the pudding. People require the addon because they think that it improves the quality of their groups.

[Lahis]

Have you ever though to ask yourself, why it's so widespread? If the addon was complete garbage and the score meant nothing then people wouldn't use it. In this case, the proof is in the pudding. People require the addon because they think that it improves the quality of their groups.

It has gotten to the point that I have given up even trying to do M+ unless I get a Guild group.

I don't like to spam the dungeons over and over again for no reward (M15 loot is pretty much useless). I only do the weekly run for the chest and that doesn't give any score.

[ItsTiddles]

It has gotten to the point that I have given up even trying to do M+ unless I get a Guild group.

I don't like to spam the dungeons over and over again for no reward (M15 loot is pretty much useless). I only do the weekly run for the chest and that doesn't give any score.

I'm sorry, I don't follow. If 15s are useless to you, how does m+ score effect you?