Neo-Nazis denied ferry trip from Sweden to Finland

[vipers]

More people have died from communism yet we have lots of university teachers indoctrinating young kids with communist propaganda

crime is still a crime no matter if there is smaller or bigger crime compare to that

[Elba]

I very much doubt he would accept that a company denies service based on gender or ethnicity.

Actually he would. I have frequently argued about that with him.

[Fojos]

Islamic is far right wing spanky. I know it might be hard to fathom but it's a fact.

Still not a majority. And it's pretty clear we were talking about nazis, not islamists (whose main motives are religious, not political). But you are right, most muslims (not just islamists) in Europe are extreme right by western standards. What other group would have 50% saying they think homosexuals should be put in jail?

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Still not a majority. And it's pretty clear we were talking about nazis, not islamists (whose main motives are religious, not political). But you are right, most muslims (not just islamists) in Europe are extreme right by western standards. What other group would have 50% saying they think homosexuals should be put in jail?

Neo-Nazis?

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Are they Neo-Nazis though? I just thought they were highly protective of Nordic culture and detested immigration, with perhaps some violent tendencies. Sure they appear to be assholes but a Nazi seems pretty extreme.

[ipaq]

https://www.thelocal.se/20171207/neo...den-to-finland

Good stuff. We need to take their voice away. No room for those who promote violence.
Do you agree with this action or was it over the top?

No one explained to you why defending nazis is impossible?

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Are they Neo-Nazis though? I just thought they were highly protective of Nordic culture and detested immigration, with perhaps some violent tendencies. Sure they appear to be assholes but a Nazi seems pretty extreme.

they're in the white supremacists rainbow. which, oddly enough, it all white.

[Deleted]

Are they Neo-Nazis though? I just thought they were highly protective of Nordic culture and detested immigration, with perhaps some violent tendencies. Sure they appear to be assholes but a Nazi seems pretty extreme.

I mean, they have 9 key politics, one of them is to by any means necessary rid us of our global Zionist leading elite...

Reading all of them, they are literally trying to create the new fourth Reich, granted Nordic instead of German. So for all the miss use of that word, this one single instance it is likely the most apt.

[jediknight12]

From the little bit I googled i don't see this group as violent but I do see Antifa starting crap and getting violent with them

[Kaleredar]

We're not talking about terrorism, we're talking about Antifa being as bad as Nazis.

When Antifa kills six million people, you get back to me.

Tipping over trashcans and vandalism is not equatable to genocide.

[Machismo]

I very much doubt he would accept that a company denies service based on gender or ethnicity.

You would be very much wrong. I think any business owner should be able to refuse business to any customer he wants, and for any reason. Unlike other so-called conservatives, I actually support individual liberty, limited government, and the free markets.

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Are they Neo-Nazis though? I just thought they were highly protective of Nordic culture and detested immigration, with perhaps some violent tendencies. Sure they appear to be assholes but a Nazi seems pretty extreme.

Violent, authoritarian national socialists... That sounds a lot like what the Nazis were.

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From the little bit I googled i don't see this group as violent but I do see Antifa starting crap and getting violent with them

There is really no way to further their agenda without using force. They want to forcefully maintain their culture, limit other cultures, restrict immigration, and unseat Jews.

[Doctor Amadeus]

I love stories like this, it warms my heart and makes me feel good.

[cubby]

Like I said, America is the last remaining country with any sense of personal liberty. I’m sure this ferry will accommodate Hamas or Antifa.

Right, because fighting an entire world war against them wasn't enough. Now we need to give them a voice, right? Should we bring back slavery, too?

[King Shark]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the people who are whining about how the ferry company shouldn't have refused service to the Nazis are the mostly the same people who think that a bakery should be able to refuse to bake a cake for a gay wedding.

Your theory is confirmed. On a lark, I did a search, and at least one individual in this thread sided with those very same bakers. Odd now that they believe a private company should be denied the same rights they championed in another topic.

[The Oblivion]

you should be able to deny business to anyone you want as a business owner. Neo nazi's and gays that want a cake. If you dont want money and will risk your business, thats your decision.

[Dundebuns]

More people have died from communism yet we have lots of university teachers indoctrinating young kids with communist propaganda

You'll find that people are exploring the virtues of Social capitalism that works in a great many places. Also capitalism kills quite a lot. Example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grenfell_Tower_fire

[spinner981]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic...tance_Movement
Listed as a neo-nazi party. Were formed by former "White Aryan Resistance" movement members after they got out of prison. I don't know what else you want to know.

From what Wikipedia says at least they seem to indeed be a party deserving of the title neo-Nazi. Though as far as violence goes there were a few bombings and fights, no deaths but injuries (some of which were life threatening). Do we have any lists or statistics online that detail all the injuries or damage that have been caused by this group?

Your theory is confirmed. On a lark, I did a search, and at least one individual in this thread sided with those very same bakers. Odd now that they believe a private company should be denied the same rights they championed in another topic.

I think the problem is that whatever side you are on you are willing to say that there are lines between who we should be forced to service and who we should be able to refuse to service. The question becomes where that line is drawn and why. The problem isn't that a line is drawn but that some people want to simultaneously demand there be a line to allow certain people groups but not others yet never explain why that line exists and why its placement is logical. There always seems to be extreme cases given as examples, and nobody ever wants to discuss the nitty gritty 'on the fence' examples.

[Cizr]

Their company,their rules. Thats fair enough.

But dont bitch when some restaurant decides to not serve gays/muslims/whatever.

[spinner981]

When Antifa kills six million people, you get back to me.

Tipping over trashcans and vandalism is not equatable to genocide.

I don't think it is fair to say that these people are the same exact group responsible for the Holocaust. Your group can have a similar ideology to people who lived in the past but that doesn't suddenly mean that your group is responsible for all the things those people did.

Furthermore, Antifa as they currently are aren't related to any history groups via namesake. We should be looking at their rate of violence and damage compared to this so called neo-Nazi group, perhaps adjusting for group size if you so wish.

[King Shark]

From what Wikipedia says at least they seem to indeed be a party deserving of the title neo-Nazi. Though as far as violence goes there were a few bombings and fights, no deaths but injuries (some of which were life threatening). Do we have any lists or statistics online that detail all the injuries or damage that have been caused by this group?



I think the problem is that whatever side you are on you are willing to say that there are lines between who we should be forced to service and who we should be able to refuse to service. The question becomes where that line is drawn and why. The problem isn't that a line is drawn but that some people want to simultaneously demand there be a line to allow certain people groups but not others yet never explain why that line exists and why its placement is logical. There always seems to be extreme cases given as examples, and nobody ever wants to discuss the nitty gritty 'on the fence' examples.

In this case, it's simple, at least to me it is. Since they have a history of violent behavior onto others, and since they have a history of attracting violence unto them, this ferry company now has the wiggle room to say they don't want to risk the potential issues that 25 of these people can bring with them on a boat in the middle of a large body of water.

If Nazis didn't have the stigma of attracting World War Two levels of potential violence on their heads, I would consider it a fair basis of comparison to a bakery that doesn't want gay people getting their gay cooties in the straight, God fearing, Christian cake batter.

[spinner981]

In this case, it's simple, at least to me it is. Since they have a history of violent behavior onto others, and since they have a history of attracting violence unto them, this ferry company now has the wiggle room to say they don't want to risk the potential issues that 25 of these people can bring with them on a boat in the middle of a large body of water.

If Nazis didn't have the stigma of attracting World War Two levels of potential violence on their heads, I would consider it a fair basis of comparison to a bakery that doesn't want gay people getting their gay cooties in the straight, God fearing, Christian cake batter.

Thank you for demonstrating exactly what I said in my second paragraph. Pretending as if the discussion has an obvious answer because of the extreme cases. "Obviously we should be allowed to reject literally Hitler! But that isn't the same as rejecting literally Jesus! It is so obvious!". Then of course you have to derail the discussion by presenting one side as ridiculous by completely misrepresenting their reasoning in blatant hyperbole. But as I've said earlier, I've come to expect nothing less from this cesspool of a web forum

So what do we do now? Do we say that all people labeled as white supremacists or neo-Nazis can be rejected service anywhere they go? If not, then what kind of reasoning would be sufficient to do so? Would it always have to be 'fear of violence' or something of the sort? If that is the case, must there be sufficient evidence that violence could take place in order to justify this, and if not then they who rejected the service of this 'white supremacist'/'neo-Nazi' faces legal consequences? How about we get down to brass tacks instead of just slandering the other side by implying that they are afraid of 'cooties' and ending your argument there?