Rogue in Antorus performs Horrible.

[Deleted]

An example log from Varimathras, a almost Patchwork-like fight

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...pe=damage-done

Despite being the best currently ranked rogue, he is near the bottom of his Raidgroup.

The Sub 4p is the worst setbonus in Antorus, and i dont think blizzard is going to change anything.

The ONLY reason to bring rogues now is for them to soak mechanics, like Mythic Aggramar.

[omeomorfismo]

An example log from Varimathras, a almost Patchwork-like fight

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...pe=damage-done

Despite being the best currently ranked rogue, he is near the bottom of his Raidgroup.

The Sub 4p is the worst setbonus in Antorus, and i dont think blizzard is going to change anything.

The ONLY reason to bring rogues now is for them to soak mechanics, like Mythic Aggramar.

you realize that there are only 5 logs?

[Deleted]

you realize that there are only 5 logs?

This changes what exactly? Are you saying other Raids have bad warlocks/hunters/owl/shadows/windwalkers/warriors/enhancers/DK's and still manage to beat Varimathras?

[Sharpe]

Im not suprised tbh, and looking at the sims at ravenholdt sub does little above 2.1M in mythic gear, first week and there´s others classes already close to that, a bright raiding time awaits us until the next xpac.

[Deleted]

Look at Varimathras HM logs (7700+ sub rogues) :
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statist...069&dataset=90

The spec is near the top, around ~80k difference only

[ymirsson]

This changes what exactly? Are you saying other Raids have bad warlocks/hunters/owl/shadows/windwalkers/warriors/enhancers/DK's and still manage to beat Varimathras?

Statistics work best with more input data. And generalizations derived from those statistics have more weight, if the amount of input data is greater.
This conclusion was made possible by hundreds of people needing an explanation logs and how to interpret them.

[Phookah]

This changes what exactly? Are you saying other Raids have bad warlocks/hunters/owl/shadows/windwalkers/warriors/enhancers/DK's and still manage to beat Varimathras?

The point is if you actually look at logs where there's a significant amount of data points, you can see sub is fine.

[elfporn]

He just wants attention.

I have done well enough on varimathras to take the 6th spot on that linked log, and thats with 4p t20, 2p t21, bad relics, and 944ilvl. Admittedly i was exceptionally lucky. Oh, did i mention i was assination?

Now that im looking at it, the best mythic varimathras log for rogue is an outlaw!

[Deleted]

He just wants attention.

I have done well enough on varimathras to take the 6th spot on that linked log, and thats with 4p t20, 2p t21, bad relics, and 944ilvl. Admittedly i was exceptionally lucky. Oh, did i mention i was assination?

Now that im looking at it, the best mythic varimathras log for rogue is an outlaw!

you killed him on mythic?

[Millyraynge]

rogues are performing very well during the first weeks of progression. the resilience of rogues still shine, even without "soaks" and the dps values are actually more than sufficient for high end progress niveau.

All the forecasts and predictions were responsible, that most of the plebs out their have a wrong idea in mind and they are still not able (after over 10 years) to interpret SimC-forecasts correctly.

[elfporn]

you killed him on mythic?

Nope. The point was to indicate, as others have done, that the low sample skews results.

[Deleted]

Nope. The point was to indicate, as others have done, that the low sample skews results.

literally look at every other log on every other boss.

Rogues are dogshit in Antorus

[Hey There Guys its Metro]

Oh well, time to reroll Blood DK!

[Kalador]

literally look at every other log on every other boss.

Rogues are dogshit in Antorus

This is just not true, Sub is at worst mid of the pack. Outlaw and Sin are showing very low in ranking but it might be due to the fact that almost all high level rogue played Sub in ToS and are more geared/optimized for sub so are playing sub for 1st few weeks.

Don't get me wrong i'm not saying outlaw and sin are better than sub but just that they are way less top tier player playing those spec right now probably not helping the ranking... Also Sin looks like it really need 4p T21 to really be strong.

Rogue is still by far a top tier class at surviving, witch is actually exceptionally valuable. For sure it doesn't compensate for your small ___ by toping the meter but it is valuable to a raid group.

I'm playing sin this tier and i have no problem keeping up with other player of the same skill level as me... It also feel very good to be able to play Exsang again.

On the good side of thing sub being mid-pack might push all the Fotm reroller that went sub rogue for ToS to reroll and QQ once more... And Fotm reroller tears are always a small but valuable consolation price of not being top tier.

[Scotlander]

literally look at every other log on every other boss.

Rogues are dogshit in Antorus

The top Rogue on Imonar isn't doing too badly https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...pe=damage-done

Or in Kin'garoth https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...translate=true

What about the fact that the first 3 Aggramar kills have had 10 rogues in them combined? We're doing fine in Antorus, we don't scale too well so later on that might not be the case, but right now we're in a good spot.

[Deleted]

The top Rogue on Imonar isn't doing too badly https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...pe=damage-done

Or in Kin'garoth https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...translate=true

What about the fact that the first 3 Aggramar kills have had 10 rogues in them combined? We're doing fine in Antorus, we don't scale too well so later on that might not be the case, but right now we're in a good spot.

they stacked rogues for soaking since every player can only soak once on him, but rogues can do it more often thanks to cloak.

[Seliar]

This changes what exactly? Are you saying other Raids have bad warlocks/hunters/owl/shadows/windwalkers/warriors/enhancers/DK's and still manage to beat Varimathras?

If you don't know what does it change than your topic is not worth the discussion...

[Slim Charles]

Surprising how oblivous many of you are to all the signs that rogue dps will be terrible in mythic Antorus. I mean we fell behind over the course of ToS and you expect rogues to do well next tier when no changes were made in tuning? We all know about the scaling. And please dont offer that silly utility argument. Utility has no business being on a scale with dps. If the utility is op nerf the utility, not the damage. There are plenty of classes with great utility that dont get their damage pruned for it (combat res, movement gates, selfheal?).

Rogue is a pure dps class but at the moment is just like a support class. That is not fitting at all. As for the damage in mythic: it will not get better, only worse. Ilvls are at 955-960 and once they reach 970 we will be behind even further. My guess is they will buff Ass with 7.3.5 but until then damage will suck.

[Deleted]

Surprising how oblivous many of you are to all the signs that rogue dps will be terrible in mythic Antorus. I mean we fell behind over the course of ToS and you expect rogues to do well next tier when no changes were made in tuning? We all know about the scaling. And please dont offer that silly utility argument. Utility has no business being on a scale with dps. If the utility is op nerf the utility, not the damage. There are plenty of classes with great utility that dont get their damage pruned for it (combat res, movement gates, selfheal?).

Rogue is a pure dps class but at the moment is just like a support class. That is not fitting at all. As for the damage in mythic: it will not get better, only worse. Ilvls are at 955-960 and once they reach 970 we will be behind even further. My guess is they will buff Ass with 7.3.5 but until then damage will suck.

Finally someone that gets it. Jeez people think that rogues are the god tier class.

[Eazy]

Rogue is a pure dps class but at the moment is just like a support class. That is not fitting at all. As for the damage in mythic: it will not get better, only worse. Ilvls are at 955-960 and once they reach 970 we will be behind even further. My guess is they will buff Ass with 7.3.5 but until then damage will suck.

According to the logs we beat Beastmaster hunters!

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