Why isn't "Being Comunist" considered a Crime yet?

[Rooflesstoofless]

True story: when you immigrate to the US the nationalization office is far more concerned with whether or not you are a member of a communist party than a Nazi party.

Probably has something to do with commies killing waaaaay more people than Nazis....edit: and real Nazis not really existing anymore.

[JohnBrown1917]

True story: when you immigrate to the US the nationalization office is far more concerned with whether or not you are a member of a communist party than a Nazi party.

Probably has something to do with commies killing waaaaay more people than Nazis....edit: and real Nazis not really existing anymore.

You really think all commies support the USSR regime?


...Hint, they don't.

[Baelic]

So:

Fascism: (fixed that for you)

• Takes over the means of production. Generally for the benefit of a few
• State owns everything. State is a few people
• Kills everyone that disagrees. As a means of controlling with fear
• Mass murdered an entire culture. Because said leaders wanted to make an "Ethnically cleansed" world
• Crazy inventor and leader. See above
• Followed by mindless idiots. Not everyone was mindless, some did out of survival/fear, but those closest to their leader really were mindless.

Communism: (fixed that for you)

• Takes over the means of production. Generally for the benefit of all
• State owns everything. Because the people are the State
• Kills everyone that disagrees. Not real communism, actions of leaders trying to latch onto an ideology/religion (where have I seen that before?)
• Mass murdered an entire culture. The Chinese and Russian governments did, not the ideals of Communism
• Crazy inventor and leader. See "kills everyone" and "murdered an entire culture
• Followed by mindless idiots. In principle, community would be full of individuals of a large cast of backgrounds. Artists, Scientists, Philosphers, etc.

In principle, they aren't even close. Only reason they appear to be is because the same types of "leaders" use either as an excuse to be shitheads. (See: Religion)

Which actually brings an interesting point... The US Constitution is more Communist than you might think, "We The People" indeed.

[DSRilk]

This is the third time people on this forum have made similar claims recently, it’s not true.

Karl Marx, Communist Manifesto, last paragraph...

“The Communists disdain to conceal their views and aims. They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions. Let the ruling classes tremble at a Communistic revolution. The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win.”

That is a call to violence.

"Give me liberty or give me death" - Henry said this because the people in power were not going to give it up, but in his mind, his democratic revolution was worth fighting for. I fail to see how Marx's statement is any different. Neither of them are calling for violence for the sake of violence or in order to eliminate a specific group of people. They're both saying the same thing: the established power will not relinquish it without a fight. And they were both right. I can't think of any existing power structure of any import that didn't require physical force or the threat thereof to overthrow. Jefferson was a fan of the French revolution, and obviously was keen on our own, but I wouldn't call him a violent person. Similarly, I don't think Henry or Marx were particularly violent people. All of them had one thing in common: a vision of what they saw as a better tomorrow and a jaded sensibility that told them it couldn't happen without a fight.

Keep in mind that we only have capitalism today due to myriad civil wars and uprisings (and theft by way of "enclosure" laws). There has been a pretty obvious ebb and flow to economic control in Europe since the Enlightenment. Wealth starts to spread, it aggregates with one social class (usually the ones who happen to also be in political control), laws are generated to keep the money and power there, revolt and bloodshed happen, wealth spreads, those in power reassert dominance, and we start all over. France arguably being the poster child for it.

[Hilhen7]

If people in the US are anti communism what's with Eminent domain?

[DSRilk]

True story: when you immigrate to the US the nationalization office is far more concerned with whether or not you are a member of a communist party than a Nazi party.

Probably has something to do with commies killing waaaaay more people than Nazis....edit: and real Nazis not really existing anymore.

It has nothing to do with death tolls. It has to do with remnants of the cold war.

[Deleted]

They are literally the same, the only exception is that fairy tales says "comunist is good that fights against evil because yes"
Why isn't supporting comunism a crime yet? Just because the soviet holocaust wasnt broadcast live doesn't mean it didn't happen.

In eastern europe hunting commies is considered a sport. In Romania it's as dirty as calling yourself a nazi.

[Topornic]

Communism is an economical ideology which at it's core is based around abolishing the class system and create common ownership of the means of production.

Nazi ideolgy is based around racism and genocide.


I don't understand how anyone could compare the two.

Because taking people's property can be done in other way than killing thousands of people defending that property. Yeah right.
Communism and everything related is a criminal world view, period.

[downnola]

In principle, they aren't even close. Only reason they appear to be is because the same types of "leaders" use either as an excuse to be shitheads. (See: Religion)

Which actually brings an interesting point... The US Constitution is more Communist than you might think, "We The People" indeed.

It appears that way because communism argues for democratic concepts. However, the U.S. Constitution is based on individual rights, which is diametrically opposed to the class based rhetoric of communism. There are people who would contest that, because there are various paths communism took after Marx, but traditionally speaking communism places more emphasis on community and class than on the individual. To me, that's a very big distinction.

[Ozyorkbourne]

Because we don't have thought crimes here in America.

Yet.

/10chars

[Halicia]

Because taking people's property can be done in other way than killing thousands of people defending that property.

Remove taxes on the Oligarchy, raise taxes on everyone else. Blame the (insert minority scapegoat).

So long as the overall quality of life keeps improving due to innovation and development, people will gladly give up their lives and property while condemning (insert minority scapegoat) for the degradation from "the good old days".

But what you're describing is a revolution, and most revolutions that redistribute wealth aren't bloodless, regardless of the systems being removed and implemented. Its no direct fault of the systems, but of humanity in general.

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Yet.

/10chars

We actually do, sadly.

[igualitarist]

I like that some people here think "people" and "communism" are synonyms, or are related to each other in some way or another.

[Zogarth]

Why is disagreeing with me not illegal yet?

[Topornic]

Remove taxes on the Oligarchy, raise taxes on everyone else. Blame the (insert minority scapegoat).

So long as the overall quality of life keeps improving due to innovation and development, people will gladly give up their lives and property while condemning (insert minority scapegoat) for the degradation from "the good old days".

But what you're describing is a revolution, and most revolutions that redistribute wealth aren't bloodless, regardless of the systems being removed and implemented. Its no direct fault of the systems, but of humanity in general.

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We actually do, sadly.

No. Communism is on principle revolutionary and thus bloody per se. It's whole conception is just based on destroying, like every revolutionary move.
Except some of them at least try to be rationable in opposition to marxist mysticism.

[Stardrift]

Why are you kinds of people just so into this? Who the fuck cares? lol

[DSRilk]

No. Communism is on principle revolutionary and thus bloody per se. It's whole conception is just based on destroying, like every revolutionary move.
Except some of them at least try to be rationable in opposition to marxist mysticism.

Let me start off by saying that I'm a proponent of capitalism, though like all rational people I believe it requires some supervision.

Re: communism... it is not "on principle revolutionary." Marx simply said it would require revolution, just like every other time when a government was overthrown and a new system put in place. Saying communism is inherently revolutionary is like saying democracy is inherently revolutionary. It certainly required (many) revolutions to throw off the monarchies.

And when it comes to criminal, capitalism as we view it today got its start with enclosure laws (like the Inclosure Act) that allowed the individuals who happened to be running the government exclusively to literally take and split up shared public and shared property - often by force and with bloodshed. One could argue that communism as a concept was around much earlier than Marx given that its core conceit of shared ownership was present in the feudal open-field systems.

I'm not saying communism is a good idea, certainly not with the population and mindset humans have today. I'm not saying capitalism is evil - far from it, I think it's the best we've got to work with. But let's be factual and fair when it comes to discussing things.

[Spiffums]

Neither is Nazism banned nor is being a Nazi a crime in Germany, so please stop that idiotic notion!

So why did they arrest the tourists who gave a Nazi salute?

[Varvara Spiros Gelashvili]

thats just rational though. try it some time

You are everything but rational and bring up nationalism constantly.

[Ealyssa]

Because what you are should NEVER be a crime.

Only what you do.

[Osmeric]

It IS a crime. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commun...ol_Act_of_1954

The Communist Control Act (68 Stat. 775, 50 U.S.C. 841-844) is a piece of United States federal legislation, signed into law by President Dwight Eisenhower on 24 August 1954, which outlaws the Communist Party of the United States and criminalizes membership in, or support for the Party or "Communist-action" organizations and defines evidence to be considered by a jury in determining participation in the activities, planning, actions, objectives, or purposes of such organizations.

SCOTUS has never ruled on the constitutionality of the law. With very limited exception, it has not been enforced, and would probably be struck down if it were.