Isn't Trump right about the fake news?

[Venant]

List your evidences. I dare you.

From Glenn Greenwald

https://theintercept.com/2017/12/09/...what-happened/


The U.S. Media Suffered Its Most Humiliating Debacle in Ages: Now Refuses All Transparency Over What Happened

FRIDAY WAS ONE of the most embarrassing days for the U.S. media in quite a long time. The humiliation orgy was kicked off by CNN, with MSNBC and CBS close behind, with countless pundits, commentators and operatives joining the party throughout the day. By the end of the day, it was clear that several of the nation’s largest and most influential news outlets had spread an explosive but completely false news story to millions of people, while refusing to provide any explanation of how it happened.

[rogueMatthias]

It depends what you class as "Fake News".

Pretty much everything in the media these days is just incredibly biased propaganda with one goal or another- Does that make it fake?

One story will tell you that illegal immigrants contribute 300 million dollars to the economy every year. Another story will tell you that illegal immigrants take 100 billion dollars from the economy every year. Both can be true, but they're just telling such a small part of a bigger story that it's misleading the public at best.

When Trump said "The leaks are absolutely real, the news is fake" he was ridiculed, but he's not far off.

[Kiri]

From Glenn Greenwald

https://theintercept.com/2017/12/09/...what-happened/


The U.S. Media Suffered Its Most Humiliating Debacle in Ages: Now Refuses All Transparency Over What Happened

Yep, news outlets make mistakes, especially when they are as zealous as good old CNN.
This means that one has to be critical of reports and not take them at face value. It does not mean that any news story on any network is automatically fake news. And that is at the core of the question poised by the OP - Is Trump right to talk about 'Fake News' the way he does? And no, he does not invite critical thinking. He calls any reports that paint him in a bad light fake, whether they have actual errors, such as your example, or not. Heck, he even tries to preemptively make up stuff about them, like when he says they would not report on certain events, which you can usually watch right on the very networks he is referring to.

[BuckSparkles]

Off the top of my head the Koi fish thing and recently the empty stadium at the Trump speech are two news articles that comes to mind. Then again i'm not about to launch a complete journalistic investigation on your account even if you "dare me". Though i'm pretty sure that if i did you would simply dismiss my findings as you people have repeatedly done when i've proven i've done my due diligence.

You can start by explaining how those two events are not fake news.

This is precisely why I don't bother with sources and have not for quite some time.

You can post 100 articles and people would find some excuse to credit each and every one of them.

[faithbane]

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/06/po...pan/index.html

For example, that article does mention that Abe poured his own first.

I have not heard anything about empty stadiums.

Huh. There appears to have been a bit of fake news about the stadium thing. That's pretty retarded. Don't think it's a smart move to give fuel for Trump to continue his "fake news" crusade.

"As an aide clapped loudly, Abe and Trump tossed spoonfuls of fish food into the pond. Then, with a look of enjoyment, Trump quickly poured his entire box of food into the pond.
The move got Trump some laughs, and a smile from Abe, who actually appeared to dump out his box of food ahead of Trump."

From that article you linked claiming they made no mention of abe.. reading is clearly hard for you, maybe work on that before going into journalism?

[schwarzkopf]

You can make ALL the conclusions about Trump insanity purely based on Trump's own words and actions alone.

Calling someone fake news because they show or quote Trump is definitely a bit silly

[BuckSparkles]

It depends what you class as "Fake News".

Pretty much everything in the media these days is just incredibly biased propaganda with one goal or another- Does that make it fake? .

Pretty much. Majority of the media is just a propaganda wing of the democratic party.

[JohnBrown1917]

Pretty much. Majority of the media is just a propaganda wing of the democratic party.

Ye, the Republicans would not dare do something like that.

[Shadee]

Trump is correct about fake news.

[BuckSparkles]

Ye, the Republicans would not dare do something like that.

We have, what, fox? And then every other mainstream is news. Can't really compare.

[Garnier Fructis]

It depends what you class as "Fake News".

And if you classify bias as fake, then you're wrong.

[Jeezy911]

It is impossible to have "positive" coverage of a negative president.

Opinion based comment. Whats a negative president?

[BrerBear]

Off the top of my head the Koi fish thing and recently the empty stadium at the Trump speech are two news articles that comes to mind. Then again i'm not about to launch a complete journalistic investigation on your account even if you "dare me". Though i'm pretty sure that if i did you would simply dismiss my findings as you people have repeatedly done when i've proven i've done my due diligence.

You can start by explaining how those two events are not fake news.

I can address the second.
Dave Weigel’s stadium claim was made in a personal tweet, not a WaPo news story. News stories get fact-checked and verified before publication.

If your new standard is going to be that if anyone says anything wrong, their entire organization is discredited as “fake”, then no one will ever be able to trust any source of information ever again.

Which we know is the actual goal of authoritarians like Team Trump, so... yeah.

[Jeezy911]

What should the ratio of positive to negative be?

Interesting question, I guess it really doesn't matter as long as the people understand that they are being manipulated.

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New Trump approval rating 32% record low. That would make it official, the last few of his supporters with an IQ above 70, have abandoned him.

Speaking of fake news.

[Garnier Fructis]

Interesting question, I guess it really doesn't matter as long as the people understand that they are being manipulated.

And you can conclude that people are being manipulated, how? Based on the percentage?

Look, if you're going to accuse other people in this thread of thinking with their hearts too much, then you yourself should be able to justify your positions under scrutiny instead of dancing about.

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Speaking of fake news.

How is this fake? His aggregate is around 37% approval, and individual polls are going to be spread around that. There's also a poll that puts him at 42%, that must be 'fake' news.

Also, I see that you never responded to the fact that BLS tracks real unemployment, and that it doesn't paint anything close to the picture that demagogues paint when they bring up real unemployment.

[Felya]

This is precisely why I don't bother with sources and have not for quite some time.

You can post 100 articles and people would find some excuse to credit each and every one of them.

Yeah, instead you act like you can post 100s of articles. Here is a clue, if you are unwilling to provide evidance, for what ever reason you can think of, you are still not providing anything. What you are doing is a complete bullshit tact, of claiming credit for something, while not actually doing it.

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Interesting question, I guess it really doesn't matter as long as the people understand that they are being manipulated.

Precisely... as long as the government can convince you the media is fake, it no longer maters if it’s positive or not.

[cubby]

I've looked at numerous cases were Trump has called the media out for delivering fake news and in those instances it did indeed appear that the news articles had been "faked" to make Trump appear to be a buffoon and what not. CNN and WashPo seem to be particularly guilty of this.

I'm not American so i'm not exposed to your media the same as you guys so perhaps i'm missing something.

You are missing something. Almost everything. And masking yourself as a Trumpkin with "I don't live in the U.S." is just pathetic. In case you're curious, Trump basically calls anything that paints him in other-that-flattery fake. So if you're a news media, and you're honest - Trump thinks you're fake.

[Jeezy911]

You should do stand up comedy, because this is hilarious.

Trump is in a bad light because he's the literal incarnation of incompetent.

Trump is no threat to any rich establishment, considering he's doing the best he can at giving them as much as possible.

"Turn to independent sources"? Every time an independent source comes out against Trump you and your ilk constantly say how we can't believe just an independent source. You're as hypocritical as water is wet.

Twitter is the easiest place to get a direct quote from him, because once it's on the internet it's always there and can be referred back to at all times.



Then why has this administration been doing that very thing this whole time? Also, why do you back up their claims when you know it's bullshit? Are you real?



It's rather hard to write a positive article when Trump doesn't do anything that's positive.

I remember that and even Fox barely had a majority of positive articles on him. If Fox can't do it then how is anyone else supposed to?

They are about to pass the most major tax cut for the middle class since Regan, The economy has been exceeding expectations since Trump has been in office, and Jerusalem is now recognized as part of Israel. Your argument doesn't make since unless you just don't agree with him on policy because he is certainly getting things done.

That was all this week and could be seen as positive for Trump. Not sure what your idea of accomplishment is, but please find an equally successful week for Obama at any time in his life.

[Kujako]

They are about to pass the most major tax cut for the middle class since Regan...

So, you've still not actually read the bills they're trying to pass? You really should...

[Felya]

Yes the American media purposely try to frame Trump constantly in a bad light, but luckily they have lost most of their power over the people. Trump is a threat to the rich establishment that control the news and a lot of folks now turn to independent sources instead of watching channel 4 every night. It also inflames the higher ups in news that Trump just goes straight to twitter as it is hard to spin a direct quote accessible to everyone.

The way Trump is presented in the media, has been the same for 30 years. You are so blatantly biased here, that it makes me cafafefe at your suggestion that Trump’s tweets are hart to spin. Can you at least admit you made an obvious mistake in asserting this?

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So, you've still not actually read the bills they're trying to pass? You really should...

Trump is on record claiming that Clinton’s economy, was better than Reagan’s. But, this was when Trump flaunted being horrible with women, instead of blaming media for his depiction as such.