Responsible gun owner gets his gun stolen....

[Stop Pretending]

You hate guns and people with guns, gotcha ya.

Um, no. I have guns. I hate irresponsible gun owners, so no, you don't got me.

[Ghostpanther]

Our countries are not so different, and in any case pretty much every Western nation outside the US has gun control, and they typically average a third or less of the US's homicide rate.

But this is really small potatoes, theft is only one of the ways criminals get guns in the US. The biggest are things like straw purchases.

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It was a Karate Kid reference, actually.

Big difference. What other countries have in their Constitution, the right of the citizens to keep and bear arms? Only one that I am aware of. Guatemala. That is a big difference in why gun confiscation or outlawing them will not work here. Sure it can be amended. But that is not a easy process at all. And very slim chance of ever happening in our life times.

Which I am all in favor of cracking down on.

[Hammerfest]

Best way to stop gun theft: don't own gun.

Remind me again about how criminals follow the rules...

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Remind me again about how criminals follow the rules...

criminals tend to follow the rule of least risk. they only carry guns because the risk of running into a victim with a gun outweighs the risk of walking around in public with a gun.

[Ghostpanther]

criminals tend to follow the rule of least risk. they only carry guns because the risk of running into a victim with a gun outweighs the risk of walking around in public with a gun.

Well, they very much prefer to prey on soft targets. If that is what you are saying. And knowing a large majority of people are not going to be armed with a firearm.

[kail]

That is not even close to impossible, it's the law up here. When transporting restricted firearms (which includes any handgun), the weapon is required to be unloaded, secured with a trigger lock, and in a locked case.

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/f...posage-eng.htm

So carrying a firearm in open/concealed carry is illegal in Canada? Can't enforce that in areas here where it's completely legal (with required documentations).

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Well, they very much prefer to prey on soft targets. If that is what you are saying. And knowing a large majority of people are not going to be armed with a firearm.

define large majority. something like 1 in 3 households in the US has a gun, not exactly a risk you can ignore as a criminal.

[Ghostpanther]

define large majority. something like 1 in 3 households in the US has a gun, not exactly a risk you can ignore as a criminal.

Most people do not carry a firearm concealed, let alone open carry. Just because they may have a gun, It could mean it is back home. Most states have some pretty strict rules on carrying concealed or open carry. Out of the possible 5 - 6 million Ohioans who could carry a firearm with a permit, less than 300,000 have been issued ones. This figure is even much more less in states such as California and New York I would assume. A figure of less than 10% of the population over all could be defined as a Large Majority.

https://patch.com/ohio/kent/how-many...-carry-license

[Masark]

So carrying a firearm in open/concealed carry is illegal in Canada? Can't enforce that in areas here where it's completely legal (with required documentations).

Technically no, effectively yes, It's legal with a permit ("authorization to carry"), though they're extremely rare (There exist about 8000 nationwide, about 6000 of which are armoured car guards).

And enforcement would be reasonably easy for that even. It's either on your body or locked up. Simple.

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define large majority. something like 1 in 3 households in the US has a gun, not exactly a risk you can ignore as a criminal.

Yet given crime rates, it is evidently a risk many criminals do in fact ignore.

[Mormolyce]

Remind me again about how criminals follow the rules...

They're going to break the rules and steal the gun that I don't own?

So you're saying criminals even break the laws of causality? The fiends!

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Big difference. What other countries have in their Constitution, the right of the citizens to keep and bear arms? Only one that I am aware of. Guatemala. That is a big difference in why gun confiscation or outlawing them will not work here. Sure it can be amended. But that is not a easy process at all. And very slim chance of ever happening in our life times.

Which I am all in favor of cracking down on.

You're quite correct, the Second Amendment is the thing stopping you from instituting proper gun control like everywhere else. At least it is after the 2010 SCOTUS decision.

[The Penguin]

But not for the perps who steal them?

I agree. If the gun was gone for a matter of weeks and then it was used by someone and was not reported stolen I could see punishing the owner then. But as it stands, unless he was really negligent in it's storage that invited the theft, then the criminal who stole the gun should be held liable. Not the Gun Owner.

[Cosmic Janitor]

So if someone steals your automobile and they then use it illegally to commit a crime, the owner should be punished too?

I think it is actually a crime (in many places) to leave your car unlocked with the key inside, so everyone can just take it. Something about negligence.

[lockedout]

I think it is actually a crime (in many places) to leave your car unlocked with the key inside, so everyone can just take it. Something about negligence.

Which places? You also don"t need the key. I'm interested in these places though.

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I agree. If the gun was gone for a matter of weeks and then it was used by someone and was not reported stolen I could see punishing the owner then.

What if you didn't know after a matter of weeks it was stolen?

[redwolfrain]

.... Only to be used later on that day to shoot a police officer in the head.

https://www.google.com/amp/fox2now.c...r-surgery/amp/

There needs to be a very harsh penalties for gun owners who have their firearms stolen, or lose them.

In Bizzaro world, victim goes to jail!

[Cruor]

The issue is with liberal policies. It says the suspect was "well known to police" he had multiple prior charges that included theft. If he had been beaten and crippled or executed after his first crimes, as he should have been, he wouldn't have been able to steal the gun and shoot someone with it.

[downnola]

The issue is with liberal policies. It says the suspect was "well known to police" he had multiple prior charges that included theft. If he had been beaten and crippled or executed after his first crimes, as he should have been, he wouldn't have been able to steal the gun and shoot someone with it.

Slow down ISIS, we don't live in 1300 A.D. Europe anymore.

[Cruor]

Slow down ISIS, we don't live in 1300 A.D. Europe anymore.

Well, quite clearly letting him out of jail after MULTIPLE prior incidents didn't work out to well, did it? If it had you he had hurt I'm sure you would be seeing it in a new light. We should dispose of criminals early on, there is no end to examples where people with prior records finally commit the crime that makes headlines.

[Ghostpanther]

I think it is actually a crime (in many places) to leave your car unlocked with the key inside, so everyone can just take it. Something about negligence.

I am not aware of any state in the US which that would be a crime. Correct me if that is true.

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Yet given crime rates, it is evidently a risk many criminals do in fact ignore.

Yet, the odds are still in favor for the criminal he will not confront a victim who is armed. Esp. out in the public. 66% in favor for him if he invades a home and close to 90% chance in favor of him if he attacks someone out in the public. But even the 1 in 3 households which have at least one firearm, does not mean all of those households have them prepared to be used against a home invader or the wiliness to use one.

[MasterOfNone]

The logical thing would be to punish people who steal firearms, yes. I'm sorry I didn't spell that out for you.

ahh sarcasm. good to sniff this bullshit out first thing this morning

[Noradin]

So if someone steals your automobile and they then use it illegally to commit a crime, the owner should be punished too?

If he handled it irresponsible he might have to take part of the blame depending on circumstances.
For example if he had it standing around with the key already inserted in front of a school and some stupid kid took it for a ride and hurt someone.