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  1. #301
    Isn't Milo's schtick that he's a "provocateur" and actively encourages these sorts of conflicts for promotion and to cover the fact he has little of substance to say? Considering the civil disorder is a desired product of his lectures it only seems.fair that he covers some of the costs he creates. Otherwise how is it fair for the Australian public to pick up the bill for the way he chooses to profit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky High View Post
    I don’t see “racism” I see a peice of shit traitor that doesn’t deserve any sort of respect or veneration. Not sure how many more times I have to say it before it gets through to you, probabbly never will.
    Do you even know why confederates couldn't be tried for treason? because secession was seen as a right states had at that time by politicians. The US Constitution never would have been ratified and a Union never would have never been created if the people of those states did not believe they had the right to secede.

    So technically while you're correct in calling him a traitor, you're actually wrong.

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    Dooooooooooon’t. fucking care! Go start a thread about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hubcap View Post
    Sounds like a great way to stifle free speech. Who's going to speak out when they can be fined tens of thousands of dollars?
    Yeah, I would have to agree with this, his is a dangerous precedence. If you can just fine people 10k-1M for speaking at a rally, and some people afterwards go nuts, no one will ever speak in a public forum again, because the police state will bill you.

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    If you can find someone to send a bill to, by all means.
    It would likely be sent to a prominent speak at any rally, no matter what it is. That's dangerous, and that's tyrannical.

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    Billing someone for the response of their violent political opponents is quite literally heckler's veto. It's vile and stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gandrake View Post
    Well the city council didn't exactly decide to bring up plans to remove the statue simply because they thought it was ugly.
    But that wasn't a protest, was it? It was just a motion in the city council.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    But that wasn't a protest, was it? It was just a motion in the city council.
    Alright, well who do you think was more upset? People who were genuinely disturbed by the statue's presence, saying it "reminds me of racism and our dark past every day" or people who wanted to tell millenials to grow up and quit trying to erase our history because they're reverse racist white saviors?

    Because honestly, when it was all said and done my black friends were more upset that all those "gangstas" like Vine Star Bryan Silva out in Charlottesville weren't packing and didn't kill any nazis or klanmen. But maybe I'm biased.

    Either way, I've had my fill of debate as we are now arguing over who was the most offended at the notion of removing the Lee statue.

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    Regarding those civil war statues, I always found it weird that America has monuments honoring foreign enemies that killed Americans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gandrake View Post
    Alright, well who do you think was more upset?
    Gonna go with the side who drove a car into a crowd, murdered a woman and injured 30.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    But as I keep saying, it was the alt-right that was upset about the removal of the statues.

    Do you even have statues of Obama? That's a hell of a weird false equivalence though, lol.
    Pretty sure that like putting them on money, it's considered bad taste in the US to build statues of living people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    Gonna go with the side who drove a car into a crowd, murdered a woman and injured 30.
    I wasn't aware that James Alex Fields Jr was the one who applied for a permit for the protest and sat by his lonesome being lynched by Antifa and BLM. I'm sure next we'll explore the intricacies of americans asserting their right to open carry, despite there being no reports of gunfire related injuries. There is a video of a man who fired a gun near a crowd, but counter protesters flung something at them & theirs, and I'm not saying it made it OK to shoot to scare them, but it was not an unprovoked reaction.

    A lot of people won't agree with me, but counter protesters bit off more than they could chew and are responsible for the consequences they have suffered. Counter protesters kept egging them on. The fact that Charlottesville did not become a bloodbath was amazing, honestly. You can't just counter protest a protest and throw shit at people. What protesters do in retaliation is not OK, but you just don't start a fight and and then try to blame others when you did some dumb shit in the first place.

    It makes it even worse that people can't even prove that James Alex Fields Jr was going to do what he did, when he did. I think it's highly unlikely he was going to do anything else other than what he did, but in every video clip shown moments before he committed that crime, a protester is shown striking the rearend of his car. And honestly? some protester does some shit like that to my car, I'd probably do the same thing. You get out of the car to beat their ass, everyone is going to beat your ass. You retaliate, they are going to beat the shit out of your car anyway.

    Everywhere you look and try to feel bad for these people, they are doing really stupid shit. Even if he wasn't going to commit that crime, if it was anyone else driving that vehicle, they'd have still put them between a rock and a hard place.

    If they weren't upset about it, they wouldn't have been egging them on like that. If they weren't upset about it, they would have just stayed at home or went to work. If they weren't upset about it, the statue never would have gotten that much attention and there wouldn't be videos of ghosts out a little too early for Halloween defending a statue and they wouldn't feel stupid after putting themselves through all that grief only to realize that the decision of whether or not it could be moved would be left in the hands of a judge who would say the statues could not be moved for 6 months.

    I mean, really. All you have to do is look at the responses. Many people in favor of keeping the statue just want to defend american history and monuments deeply rooted in our own history. Many of the people who want it to go are frantic in their responses, proclaiming that the monument is a symbol of oppression and hatred and that only a privileged white man would want to keep it around.
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    Not rightful. Bill should be spread among protestors that engaged in violence and destruction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gandrake View Post
    A lot of people won't agree with me, but counter protesters bit off more than they could chew and are responsible for the consequences they have suffered.
    So in your view, it's the fault of people protesting against neo-Nazis that one of them murdered a woman and injured 30?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkeon View Post
    This opens up an interesting precedent.
    Not really. People who hold events in the US that will require police protection often have to pay for that service, since it's costing the department in extra man hours they wouldn't otherwise have had to spend.

    I used to work for a convention and event center. Whenever police were required, there would be a bill associated with it. The more "high risk" the event was, the more police were needed, the higher the bill was.

    This isn't at all unprecedented, nor is it a slippery slope. It's completely normal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    Not rightful. Bill should be spread among protestors that engaged in violence and destruction.
    Except the Victoria police aren't charging Milo for destruction. They're charging him for the large amount of police that were required, the time of those officers, and the cost of equipment that was needed to subdue the crowds.

    That's completely normal for organizations that hold events.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krigaren View Post
    This isn't at all unprecedented, nor is it a slippery slope. It's completely normal.
    Again - so if I was to gather a masked army to counter-protest you, should you ever hold a speech somewhere - YOU would have to pay the bills? Don't you even dare say that's normal, haha..

    And if it actually is how it regularly works - holy shit at a backwards way of doing things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkeon View Post
    Again - so if I was to gather a masked army to counter-protest you, should you ever hold a speech somewhere - YOU would have to pay the bills? Don't you even dare say that's normal, haha..

    And if it actually is how it regularly works - holy shit at a backwards way of doing things.
    If my speeches had a history of causing violent counter-protests and I choose to continue holding those speeches in areas that are vulnerable, yes, I would expect to get a bill from the police department to pay for the extra services they're providing my event in order to provide security and keep it safe. Again, this is a completely normal practice for high-profile events.

    Holy shit, it's like we live in a world where we have to pay for things that go above and beyond what's normally expected, sometimes. What are you, some kind of communist socialist who expects everything for free?
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  17. #317
    Quote Originally Posted by Krigaren View Post
    Holy shit, it's like we live in a world where we have to pay for things that go above and beyond what's normally expected, sometimes. What are you, some kind of communist socialist who expects everything for free?
    OR, we get the people that actually are causing the damage to pay for their decisions and actions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    So in your view, it's the fault of people protesting against neo-Nazis that one of them murdered a woman and injured 30?
    Well if you see Hitler driving down the street in his vehicle, and you know the level of contempt he has for you and the people who are standing with you... Do you hit his vehicle with a baseball bat as it slows down in the street? Does that really seem wise?

    I mean, he only wants to perform an ethnic cleansing. Totally harmless, right? It's not like he could just suddenly turn extremely violent if provoked. That's just crazy talk.

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    Im the biggest leftist and he fuckin is god lol he triigers us so bad

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krigaren View Post
    If my speeches had a history of causing violent counter-protests and I choose to continue holding those speeches in areas that are vulnerable, yes, I would expect to get a bill from the police department to pay for the extra services they're providing my event in order to provide security and keep it safe. Again, this is a completely normal practice for high-profile events.

    Holy shit, it's like we live in a world where we have to pay for things that go above and beyond what's normally expected, sometimes. What are you, some kind of communist socialist who expects everything for free?
    It comes down to "what's normally expected". Having VIOLENT protests, smashing up shop windows and setting fire to things because they disagree with some of your points of view SHOULD NOT be normally expected. Their whole intention is to entirely shut down anyone with opinions different to their own - If the governments are making people pay because others might angry and violently disagree with them then that's problematic on many levels.

    There's a lot of things that have been seen as "controversial" in the past - So much so that they've angered large parts of the country. Even things like Evolution and civil rights. The way I see it, If people aren't trying to actually stir up hatred then people should let them talk (Even if they're just a gobshite like milo). If people get violent and angry and break things because they don't like that you're talking, that's on them to foot the bill.

    There were violent opposition groups in response to the civil rights movement. If people could only speak if they paid tens of thousands in police bills for potential violence caused by others, maybe the movement wouldn't have become what it was.
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