Responsible gun owner gets his gun stolen....

[Hammerfest]

Why go to all that trouble when guns are so trivial to obtain through legal means, or by circumventing the laws through straw purchases?

Because they want to commit further crimes and not be tied to them.

Urban legend.

It's an "urban legend" that criminals obtain guns illegally to commit crimes with? That's hilarious.

[kail]

But cars can, as well as vans and trucks. And no, there are firearms whose sole purpose for their design is not to kill something. But to fire a projectile accurately at a target. Which may be clay pigeons or paper targets. :P

You just described the most logical reason to defend gun rights, recreational use.

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You can't use guns for target shooting? Guns can be used for other reasons than killing.

True, but I hardly ever see people defend gun rights to they can enjoy a hobby. Their use as a hobby is the best case really, self defense goes out the window when them posing as a danger is more likely. It's like taking a pain killer that just causes more pain in the end.

[Mormolyce]

It's an "urban legend" that criminals obtain guns illegally to commit crimes with? That's hilarious.

Well maybe if you tried reading what I actually posted, you'd see that I was actually saying it's an urban legend that the majority of "illegal guns" are stolen. In fact they're most often obtained through legal gun sellers through straw purchases, crooked dealers etc.

[d00mGuArD]

The punishment for this gun owner should be the same as
if your car gets stolen and someone uses it for running over people
if your chainsaw gets stolen and someone chops people with it
if your baseball bat gets stolen and someone bashed people's head with it

Zero

[Hammerfest]

... I was actually saying it's an urban legend that the majority of "illegal guns" are stolen.

The majority of illegally obtained guns are not stolen, eh? That is certainly news to me.

[Ghostpanther]

You just described the most logical reason to defend gun rights, recreational use.

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I think it is a logical reason to defend them for self defense also. Which the highest legal court decision support that interpretation of the Second Amendment as a claim to exercise it. However, I enjoy informing those who have little knowledge of firearms who seem to think the only reason for firearms is to kill something. Which is false.

[nToxik]

If someone unlawfully steals a lawfully owned item and uses it to commit a crime, the lawful owner who was stolen from shouldn't be held responsible, regardless of the item.

True, they shouldn't be held liable for the crime itself but could/should be charged if said firearms were not properly stored (gun safe & trigger lock, separate from ammo, etc.) which allowed them to be easily stolen in the first place.

[Enthusiastic Steward]

True, they shouldn't be held liable for the crime itself but could/should be charged if said firearms were not properly stored (gun safe & trigger lock, separate from ammo, etc.) which allowed them to be easily stolen in the first place.

If they are in violation of required storage procedure then yes they should be liable for that.

[Mormolyce]

The majority of illegally obtained guns are not stolen, eh? That is certainly news to me.

That's why I linked you an article to read.

[Hammerfest]

That's why I linked you an article to read.

Must have been written by Elmer Fudd.

[Mormolyce]

Must have been written by Elmer Fudd.

It was an interview with ex-ATF agent Jay Wachtel.

Says so in the article, you have only to take a minute to read it.

[Hammerfest]

It was an interview with ex-ATF agent Jay Wachtel.

Says so in the article, you have only to take a minute to read it.

No thanks. I know better.

[draynay]

Reading risks exposing Hammerfest to reality, he knows better than to let that happen.

[Hammerfest]

Reading risks exposing Hammerfest to reality, he knows better than to let that happen.

I have too many life experiences to get me to read an article by an ex-ATF agent attempting to convince me that it's an urban legend that criminals obtain their guns illegally.

[Mormolyce]

No thanks. I know better.

I wish I could fit this into my sig somehow.

I have too many life experiences to get me to read an article by an ex-ATF agent attempting to convince me that it's an urban legend that criminals obtain their guns illegally.

The school of hard knocks trumps actual statistics, of course.

[Kellhound]

.... Only to be used later on that day to shoot a police officer in the head.

https://www.google.com/amp/fox2now.c...r-surgery/amp/

There needs to be a very harsh penalties for gun owners who have their firearms stolen, or lose them.

No, the logical thing is to punish the criminal. US justice is too soft.

[Hammerfest]

The school of hard knocks trumps actual statistics, of course.

You go ahead and trust your statistics.

[Mormolyce]

You go ahead and trust your statistics.

Um... thanks I will lol.