Net neutrality gone

[Mihalik]

In other countries such as Norway they have certain plans that lets you listen to Spotify without using your data package. So you guys don't have net neutrality either...

So what is so horrible about this? If some company like Comcast decides to make a "slow lane", then luckily for you we have this fucking important principal called "free competition". It means that you are free to switch to some other company that does not have this "slow lane". There is no way in hell every company will have a slow lane. In fact, this change is actually a win for the concept of "free competition".

I think you guys need more faith in free competition, as it has proved time and time again to be benefital to the consumers.

You are confusing mobile plans and land line plans. It's hard to take your opinion seriously, if you don't even understand the thing your giving your opinion on.

Also in the US you don't actually have competing ISPs in most areas.

[Poundcake]

In other countries such as Norway they have certain plans that lets you listen to Spotify without using your data package. So you guys don't have net neutrality either...

So what is so horrible about this? If some company like Comcast decides to make a "slow lane", then luckily for you we have this fucking important principal called "free competition". It means that you are free to switch to some other company that does not have this "slow lane". There is no way in hell every company will have a slow lane. In fact, this change is actually a win for the concept of "free competition".

I think you guys need more faith in free competition, as it has proved time and time again to be benefital to the consumers.

Here's the problem with that you idiot, Comcast is the only option in many places. There is no competition to switch to

[Dsonsion]

They do love some Free Market when the market is already established by monopolies, huh?

[MiiiMiii]

Here's the problem with that you idiot, Comcast is the only option in many places. There is no competition to switch to

That's like saying you are mad at Google Maps because they are the only alternative that has street view. Guess why noone else bother to make their own street view? Because people are satisfied with what Google gives them.

The same is true with Comcast. Most people are happy (enough) with them. If people become unsatisfied, alternatives will come. Do you think Comcast will want to risk their customer satisfaction and current "monopoly" just to earn some quick cash? They are not stupid.

[ls-]

From what I understand, net neutrality hasn't even been around for that long. It's been around since, like 2014-15 or something like that, and did anybody notice? No. Likewise, I doubt anyone will notice with it gone.

NN came to be because ISPs started doing what Pai says they aren't going to do after NN is gone: choking services, demanding money to stop speed throttling and stuff.

[Maudib]

Here's the problem with that you idiot, Comcast is the only option in many places. There is no competition to switch to

Not to mention many providers have lawsuits lodged to prevent Google Fiber from being brought to many markets.

You have so many people that think "government control is bad".

Control and intervention are not the same thing. Hope you guys have plenty of money... the poorer class will not be able to afford what's coming.

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[Draco-Onis]

That's like saying you are mad at Google Maps because they are the only alternative that has street view. Guess why noone else bother to make their own street view? Because people are satisfied with what Google gives them.

The same is true with Comcast. Most people are happy (enough) with them. If people become unsatisfied, alternatives will come. Do you think Comcast will want to risk their customer satisfaction and current "monopoly" just to earn some quick cash? They are not stupid.

Are you kidding? cable companies are the most hated institutions in America, the only thing less popular is congress. There only way for there to be alternatives is for congress to break them up which is not going to happen. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about, they don't give a rat's ass about keeping their customers happy they know you have no choice.

[Deleted]

If the consumers are not happy with the service these providers bring, then new providers will come. This is not some "theory" I have, it has been proven again and again troughout history. There might be some periods where a industry is not consumer friendly (for instance the gaming industry with their loot boxes and half finnished games), but in the long run it always benefits the consumers.

If the problem is monopolies, then what we need to do is make laws that prevent that. That is the real issue here.

It starts to fall apart at this level tho. The cost of building a infrastructure to compete limits things.
And for whatever reason, this just doesnt seem to be happening on this market.

Sounds like an indirect form of cartell forming, but you probably cant bust anyone on not expanding coverage into a competitors area. Or dictate where they build.
So what you end up are these local monopolies.

[Wyattbw09]

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Very nice well played.

[Casterbridge]

If the consumers are not happy with the service these providers bring, then new providers will come. This is not some "theory" I have, it has been proven again and again troughout history. There might be some periods where a industry is not consumer friendly (for instance the gaming industry with their loot boxes and half finnished games), but in the long run it always benefits the consumers.

If the problem is monopolies, then what we need to do is make laws that prevent that. That is the real issue here.

Okay then, remove the control of the monopolies, get in more competition for ISPs and then we can discuss removal of Net Neutrality.

Otherwise you are just putting the cart before the horse and handing those monopolies even more power making competition even less likely.

[Ifeanychukwu]

There's still hope. For blue states at least. Red states can reap what they've sown, I don't even care.

https://www.geekwire.com/2017/washin...-constituents/

Get out of here with that red vs blue bullshit. That's one of the major reasons our country is in the shitshow state it is right now anyway. I've never fucking understood this mentality. People will vote for something simply because it's "their side" even if the subject isn't something they agree with. I live in one of those red states and don't identify with either side, I vote for shit depending on my OPINION of the matter, not because it's the way a particular side leans.

[skitzin]

In other countries such as Norway they have certain plans that lets you listen to Spotify without using your data package. So you guys don't have net neutrality either...

So what is so horrible about this? If some company like Comcast decides to make a "slow lane", then luckily for you we have this fucking important principal called "free competition". It means that you are free to switch to some other company that does not have this "slow lane". There is no way in hell every company will have a slow lane. In fact, this change is actually a win for the concept of "free competition".

I think you guys need more faith in free competition, as it has proved time and time again to be benefital to the consumers.

If it were truly free market then sure the removal of such protections as net neutrality can work. But it's not a free market it's a textbook oligopoly complete with collusion to reduce competition and lead to higher prices for consumers. Cable companies literally carved up the USA into territories like drug cartels and will collectively work to shut any new players out of the market.

[Argarock]

In other countries such as Norway they have certain plans that lets you listen to Spotify without using your data package. So you guys don't have net neutrality either...

So what is so horrible about this? If some company like Comcast decides to make a "slow lane", then luckily for you we have this fucking important principal called "free competition". It means that you are free to switch to some other company that does not have this "slow lane". There is no way in hell every company will have a slow lane. In fact, this change is actually a win for the concept of "free competition".

I think you guys need more faith in free competition, as it has proved time and time again to be benefital to the consumers.

Pai is that you?
I have no idea why there are people who are willing to lie to benefit the big corporations while benefitting nothing at all from it themselves..(unless you actually are Pai of course, which means you'll benefit quite a bit)

The 'free market' has never been free and thankfully never will be. Buying and selling certain things has always been restricted and/or illegal and a whole bunch of other stuff (like food) has strict rules on how they can be sold.

Saying that the internet providers wont do this just because they can is INCREDIBLY naive.. they already have done this, even before they technically were legally allowed to..

Any rule change that causes a direct harm to consumers for the sake of 'the free market' should not be enacted..

I would love to see them try the same thing with mail next..

[DSRilk]

No one is arguing that getting rid of NN is a good thing.

Untrue. From the implied...

It was a beautiful, deregulated entity that did just fine.

to the literal...

So I am all for doing away with these regulations.

Both from people who seem totally oblivious to the fact that the regulations came into place BECAUSE Comcast got caught pulling this crap.

[breadisfunny]

My sin'dorei porn!!

fixed for me.

[MiiiMiii]

If it were truly free market then sure the removal of such protections as net neutrality can work. But it's not a free market it's a textbook oligopoly complete with collusion to reduce competition and lead to higher prices for consumers. Cable companies literally carved up the USA into territories like drug cartels and will collectively work to shut any new players out of the market.

I agree. I want both the removal of the "Net Neutrality" law AND laws to prevent monopolies. If I said I am against the removal just because of unrelated monopoly issues, I would be a hypocrite.

[Mehrunes]

Right that this will actually free up the ISP market to create more competition and won't put the internet behind a paywall.

Which is totally supported by the fact that the four big players using their position and oligopoly (that existed for years prior to 2015) to bully any and all competition was one of the primary reasons behind moving the Internet to Title II. But I'm sure reverting things back, as lobbied by those big players, is totally going to spawn a competition Utopia It only gives these companies even more power and a nice boost of money they'll get by extorting companies like Netflix. That will of course totally hinder their ability to kill the competition in its infancy. Because Ayn Rand's economics totes work as envisioned by her supporters 200% of the time.

[Deleted]

If the current government wasn't a bunch of corporate puppets, this repeal wouldn't have been on the table, or at least had no chance.

I wonder what Pai' s previous employment was...?

[breadisfunny]

Does my WoW still work?

Ok then we're fine

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[Casterbridge]

Get out of here with that red vs blue bullshit. That's one of the major reasons our country is in the shitshow state it is right now anyway. I've never fucking understood this mentality. People will vote for something simply because it's "their side" even if the subject isn't something they agree with. I live in one of those red states and don't identify with either side, I vote for shit depending on my OPINION of the matter, not because it's the way a particular side leans.

Truer words...