Oh yeah I didn't mean to gloss over that. Having people in their company come out and say "Yeah go play one of our OTHER games if you don't like that we removed PvP content in this game" is beyond pathetic.
I mean I still remember my outrage at the new class souls, the earring slot and now the practices they are putting out now. Everything they've done has just reinforced my choice to never come back to this game. I liked it okay when it first came out and left because of some balance changes I disagreed with (basically gutting my soul and changing its whole philosophy). I came back once to see how it was and I noticed how much it had changed. Now I just keep up with it every now and then to see if it is worth coming back to, but after reading how Trion changed their story on not having these types of elements in the game...yeah no. Never coming back to anything they touch.
I genuinely didn't mind them at first. But then it got out of hand and we had certain situations where paid ones like Arbiter were disgustingly OP for a while. Although considering there is next to no class balance anymore I have zero clue what is OP and what isn't.
Earring slot though for sure. Grind 50k void stones or throw down your money was just sickening. And Void Stone grinding in NMT was horrid.
Alright everyone, let's take a few steps back and deeps breaths and chill. I get this is a topic folks care about, but please remain respectful when posting, regardless of what you think about another poster or their opinion. Friendly warning now, if folks can't abide by rules and keep their posts on-topic and respectful infractions will start going out, and nobody wants that : (
This was a cute comment. It reminds me of a conversation I had with my four year old the other day. She asked me for chocolate right after she was done eating, problem was it was 8 in the morning. I told her no, she stomped her feet, crossed her arms, and said "you don't love me." I then had to explain to her that it's actually because I love her that I told her no. Likewise, you seem to be lacking the understanding my daughter did. We don't hate the game, frustrated and disappointed for sure but we don't hate the game. We're criticizing it and harsh with it and the dev team because we actually love the game. If we hated it, all we'd have to do is shut up and leave it alone. Left to their own devices, the devs will sink this game on their own without help. You can easily see this when you look at the quality, scale, and ambition of the game from the original launch to now. A clear downward trend.
You 100% sure about that? Seems to me that the team should be far more concerned with the opinions of the people that could potentially be giving them money versus the people who're they're indebted to who have no opinion about the game and only care about if they get their money back. Quick little fyi, good customer service will always be a wise investment that will pay off.
Tell that to the dev team. They're the ones who pushed that soul for that reason, not me. I'm just using their actions and reasons for those actions as a way to build my case. One you seem to actually have no argument against.
Yes, actually, quite the variety. WoW, Rift, AA, Tera, ESO, GW2, The Crew, DCUO, EVE, SWtoR, Conan, Aion, FF14.
Care to elaborate on which point or points you're talking about? I made a few, it'd be helpful if you could be more precise in your comments.
Context tend to be important, especially when you're inserting yourself into a conversation. We were talking about ToS violations as held by Blizzard, not Trion. Blizzard's ToS are different from that of Trion. So it's pointless to point to Blizzard unless you're wanting to have a conversation about ToS held by Trion comparatively to Blizzard, which Slipmat wasn't, he was trying to make some half-witted point about how Blizzards ToS would make Rift's payment system against the ToS. Really a nonsensical argument.
This is the gold of your long winded rant though. A genuine pleasure to read. You seem to be working on the misguided framework that we haven't paid Trion for their hard work. That they've somehow been working for free for all of these years and we're just ungrateful. I want to show you something.
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This is my personal purchase history for Rift. You see in the corner where it says 588 results? Yeah, I've given money to Trion, and plenty of it. The same can be said for most of the posters on these forums. Just because you don't like what we have to say or because someone is boycotting doesn't mean Trion hasn't been paid. It'd be a pretty useless boycott if there wasn't any loss in profits for Trion, wouldn't it? Not that I'm particularly vocally supporting the boycott.
You're a lot like other posters who are defending this. You're so dedicated to the game that you're unwilling to criticize the game when and where it needs it. In doing so, you're causing incredible amounts of damage to the game and enabling the dev team to continue to ruin this once great game.
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And again, you've missed the point. Intentionally or otherwise.
I WANT to be able to spend money on Rift. Really, I do. The problem is Trion offer nothing I want for the price range I feel is right. The price of the new callings, Packs and so on far exceeds the value I'd get from them. By chasing after the Whales, they've excluded me from the Rift store.
By constantly adding new souls as complete packs for all callings, they've stopped me from spending money to get just the ones I want. (The Mage souls, if you're curious. I do enjoy playing Warlock through all its ups and downs.) By charging more for less content, they've made me seriously question the value proposition of anything I do buy from the store.
They've sent the message loud and clear that they do not want, nor deserve, my money. That's fine, I'll spend it somewhere else.
So far, Rift has been;
- Buy to play with a subscription
- Completely free to play
- Gone back to a buy to play model for the Starfall Prophecy expansion. Or Prophecy of Ahnket. Whatever
- Gone back to a free to play
As a customer, that worries me. The game I invest in today might be turned on it's head again tomorrow. They've gone through so many different business models in such a short space of time that I find it hard to trust Trion.
One clear pattern does emerge though, they're moving towards whatever they think will offer up the most profits rather than what is in the best interests of the game and it's players. From a purely business point of view that makes complete sense. As a consumer, it makes me feel as though Trion see me as nothing more than the sum of money they can extract from me.
Generally speaking, getting your point across in as few words as possible is prefered. "Brevity is the Soul of wit", afterall.
So with the current Rift playerbase they stand to net, what? Like $250?
So they removed the Intel but the Dragons Hoard pack is still in the game apparently?
Anyone with it installed wanna confirm that because I really don't want to reinstall it?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Rift/commen..._jim_sterling/
Scroll to the bottom and people are saying the Hoard pack is still in.
Still active. Game still p2w. And i agree with darkdaemon & friends.
So basically they remove the caches but not the disgustingly priced Hoard pack?
Just haven't got it installed since I re-installed Windows 10. Doubt I will though to be honest.
All I really have installed right now is Chrome, WoW, FF14, Cuphead and Discord. Too lazy to reinstall my entire Steam Library
Neither GW2 nor ESO have microtransactions that benefit you at all. I think there's a minor xp % boost, but I hardly consider that an issue. Additionally, while I like WoW, I think the story and betweeen-expansion content in both GW2 and ESO are bounds ahead of what WoW offers.
As to Rift going P2W, I can certainly see the argument that it's not fair - and it's supposed to be a game - an escape from real life, so I ignore comments like Woowhatever. Anyway, that said, getting some people who can and will pay a lot to support the game allows it to keep going. This is especially true of games near the end of their life cycle. I enjoyed Rift back in the day. I even tried to go back to it last month. The UI, skills, and everything had changed so much though, that I felt too lost to stick around more than an hour. Oh well.
The thing is while you say they keep the lights on this whole "this is fine keep throwing it my way" attitude is part of the reason the game itself is suffering. (Not you saying it by the way)
Just look at 4.0-4.3 and compare it to anything before Nightmare Tide. Look at the huge difference in quality between the 2 games. It's shocking.
Supporting a game is one thing. But when people are saying that this thing they did wasn't P2W or that 100 dollars for a single mount is ok then that goes beyond the borders of supporting and into blind fanaticism.
Check again. GW2 has some XP boosters - who cares - and some eternal harvesting tools so that I don't have to spend a few silver every now and then. ESO has the ability to increase your riding speed and research speed (by a very minor amount), neither of which are important to game "progression," neither of which allows you to go above what a non-purchaser can get, and neither of which can't be earned simply by logging in each day. They're both pretty worthless. I mean, if you want to "get ahead" of someone who logs in more often than you... go for it.
Some of us still care about the game and want to see it return to how amazing it, and Trion as a developer, was back in its heyday? We don't want to see the continued decline that the game has been in since NT : /
Because it reflects poorly on F2P models and the MMO industry overall, an industry that a lot of us care about and don't want to see continue to get a bad rep.