Why do Vereesa and Alleria hate their own people?

[Melsiren]

The only "help" the "highelves" have given Quel'thalas was in ZA, which totally was not written to just include the Alliance.

[Friendlyimmolation]

What you can "civil unrest" is basically refusal to do something your people aren't accustomed to do, which is why not conforming to a tyrannical point of view of one part of nation isn't bad; it is actually something to be applauded.

Not to be applauded when what’s left of your people are in danger, Rommath and his teachings are the reason the majority of the scourge were driven out of upper quel’thalas

[Combatbutler]

The only "help" the "highelves" have given Quel'thalas was in ZA, which totally was not written to just include the Alliance.

While being at war no less, so high elves betrayed the Alliance.

[Magnagarde]

Yes, Sylvans has a human boy-toy.

But the other two windrunners are the girl-toys of human.

This is a huge difference.

Doesn't seem like it, really.

Alleria saved Turalyon's bacon and he basically accepts anything she does, which is usually always against the ways he'd do it; she literally became the antithesis of whatever he was and is in terms of the powers they wield. Vereesa is still alive and furious over her husband's death, which doesn't make her any sort of girl toy for Rhonin, but more like a Frank White type of high elf.

[Austilias]

Why do Humans hate Humans?

Shockingly, politics/culture/history/etc matter a lot more than race.

[Magnagarde]

Not to be applauded when what’s left of your people are in danger, Rommath and his teachings are the reason the majority of the scourge were driven out of upper quel’thalas

Whether they'd survive if they didn't fall for Rommath's teachings can only be speculated about. The point is that they were refused the right to make their own choices and were exiled from a city and kingdom that was as much theirs as it was of the soon-to-be blood elves'.

[rayvio]

Yeah. I'm seeing Alleria as Daelin Proudmoore 2.0 in the making. She's been out of touch for too long and the only Horde she knows is the demon-fuelled killing machine from the Second War. Hopefully she won't go the same way.

doesn't help that the Orcs were stupid enough to name their new and honourable alliance after the undoubtedly evil bloodthirsty group who preceded them. that would be comparable to a modern German government who are committed to embracing diversity and pursuing peace naming themselves after the nazi party. though I think we can lay the blame for that one more on the blizzard writers than on characters since they just wanted to retain the "alliance vs horde" faction war even if it was clearly not the same faction and the naming could only ever cause confusion over that issue

[Friendlyimmolation]

Doesn't seem like it, really.

Alleria saved Turalyon's bacon and he basically accepts anything she does, which is usually always against the ways he'd do it. Vereesa is still alive and furious over her husband's death, which doesn't make her any sort of girl toy for Rhonin.

Vereesa was nothing more than a baby maker for Rhonin, even in death he’s more of a character than her, and that’s saying something. Otherwise she’s a rambling inchoherant plot device of a character.

Somewhere along the line alleria went from independent to needling her human and prostrating herself to a boy king she just met.

Dignity and high elves don’t mix.

[Alidfe]

Because Alliance-players are whining.

You say in a thread full of horde players foaming at the mouth.

[Magnagarde]

You say in a thread full of horde players foaming at the mouth.

I know right. I seem to be the only one maining Horde that isn't blindly venerating blood elves. They have their advantages over high elves, namely their pragmatic approach towards things, but there is absolutely no way some of the things they have done can ever come across as clean actions in the lore.

[Combatbutler]

Somewhere along the line alleria went from independent to needling her human and prostrating herself to a boy king she just met.

That was something utterly strange, she didn't treat the original human kings with respect, because they were so young compared to her, so why does she suddenly start to treat the actual boy with respect?

[Magnagarde]

Vereesa was nothing more than a baby maker for Rhonin, even in death he’s more of a character than her, and that’s saying something. Otherwise she’s a rambling inchoherant plot device of a character.

Somewhere along the line alleria went from independent to needling her human and prostrating herself to a boy king she just met.

Dignity and high elves don’t mix.

Vereesa is literally the antithesis of a female that is defined by who her husband is; she is literally a female Frank White.

"Somewhere along the line" is literally a thousand years in the lore. I'm pretty sure their fondness of one another could only have grown.

Talking about all high elves, dignity only mixes with the standard high elves the Alliance has, not the sketchy blood elves or the void-turned blood elves.

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That was something utterly strange, she didn't treat the original human kings with respect, because they were so young compared to her, so why does she suddenly start to treat the actual boy with respect?

"Suddenly" is literally a thousand years later and after that same boy king sent forces into Argus to help her and Turalyon defeat the enemy they've been fighting for over a thousand years. The whole effort was spearheaded by the boy king's mentor, who also happens to be Alliance alongside with his people, whom the Lightforged - the only good force she met in over a thousand years - originate from. She also made first contact with Vereesa and Arator, which obviously tipped her even more into the Alliance side of things, not to mention how she saw a vision of her statue in Stormwind - something she won't ever see in Silvermoon.

[Combatbutler]

"Suddenly" is literally a thousand years later and after that same boy king sent forces into Argus to help her and Turalyon defeat the enemy they've been fighting for over a thousand years.

It is still strange that she accepts a human king as her superior, despite the fact she has always done what she wants, consequences be damned and now openly calls him her king, she has never done anything like that before.

So again her character changed drastically.

[Friendlyimmolation]

Vereesa is literally the antithesis of a female that is defined by who her husband is; she is literally a female Frank White.

"Somewhere along the line" is literally a thousand years in the lore. I'm pretty sure their fondness of one another could only have grown.

Talking about all high elves, dignity only mixes with the standard high elves the Alliance has, not the sketchy blood elves or the void-turned blood elves.

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"Suddenly" is literally a thousand years later and after that same boy king sent forces into Argus to help her and Turalyon defeat the enemy they've been fighting for over a thousand years. She also made first contact with Vereesa and Arator, which obviously tipped her even more into the Alliance side of things, not to mention how she saw a vision of her statue in Stormwind - something she won't ever see in Silvermoon.

Someone needs to actually pick up a knack book. A woman who is utterly incompetent, hilariously inept, written schizophrenicly and then gives birth to dream wonder snowflake twins is not a “female frank white”

Dignity=/= becoming human footrests.

[Magnagarde]

It is still strange that she accepts a human king as her superior, despite the fact she has always done what she wants, consequences be damned and now openly calls him her king, she has never done anything like that before.

She will still do whatever she wants, that is my guess. Whether she will truly do it is yet to be seen though and we can't claim one or the other at this point.

[Combatbutler]

She will still do whatever she wants, that is my guess. Whether she will truly do it is yet to be seen though and we can't claim one or the other at this point.

Still strange to see Alleria of all people to suck up to a human king, it is just odd.

[Magnagarde]

Someone needs to actually pick up a knack book. A woman who is utterly incompetent, hilariously inept, written schizophrenicly and then gives birth to dream wonder snowflake twins is not a “female frank white”

Dignity=/= becoming human footrests.

All these are subjective qualifications of yours, as is your distaste for half-elven characters.

However, her wanting blood for her husband getting killed is a clear parallel to Frank White, only in reverse roles.

[Arrashi]

What you can "civil unrest" is basically refusal to do something your people aren't accustomed to do, which is why not conforming to a tyrannical point of view of one part of nation isn't bad; it is actually something to be applauded.

For some reason I mistook Que'danas for Quel'delar. Mind flew off, made a mistake. Too much Quel' this and that.

Its actually like being anti-vaccine and then going to streets and spewing your bullshit publicly. And its definately not something to be applauded.

[Blamblam41]

Because Kael'thas Sunstrider and Lorth'remar made some really stupid and desperate (respectively) decisions to save their people from becoming mana addicted miscreants.

They hate their own people because their 'people' died with the Sunwell.

[Friendlyimmolation]

Incompetent, inept, schizophrenical are all subjective qualifications of your, as is your distaste for half-elven characters. All of this, is like, your opinion.

However, her wanting blood for her husband getting killed is a clear parallel to Frank White, only in reverse roles.

Again, anyone who has bothered to read the books she is in knows how truly awful of a character she is. As shitty as half elves are, they weren’t the straw that broke the camels back, her character changed for the worse every book, you couldn’t even justify it as character growth the levels of stupidity she radiates. I’m talking about “how dare you diacrage the name blood elf” in one book and then hating them the next etc or near her introduction where she follows Rhonin like a puppy. Or recently where she forgot she had kids. She’s awfully written, even for a WoW character.