Net neutrality gone

[cparle87]

Hard to really do much when 3 of the 5 people deciding it are corrupt.

Which also leads me to wonder how 3 people can have so much power of our fate?

Same reason why 20+ million Californians can vote yes on a proposition and one judge can throw the entire thing out. Our government isn't under our control anymore.

[hakujinbakasama]

Well you reap what you sow.
That what happens when you vote an unethical billionaire to run your country with the hope that he will care about your interests.

Frankly this is a major indication on how much corrupt and not-free your country is, lobbyist are shoving billions into representatives throats to vote against your interests all the time, but you still vote the same people over and over again.

Net neutrality it's just the start of all things.
You already had one of the shittiest internet status among the 1st world countries, data limits, expensive services, 0 privacy and now you're falling deeper into the hole where your ISP can throttle or block access to any site they don't like or they don't pay them enough.
We're talking about some North Korea level of shit here.

Well done Amurica, well done.

There is a palpable amount of delicious irony here. The latter choice was a corrupt morally bankrupt multi-millionare who was practically flat broke the last time she inhabited said house. Someone who wheeled and dealed with foreign agents when it has financially or politically been advantageous, condemned rape and abuse victims, was strongly against gay marriage, and sleezed her way up and down wall street and Hollywood.

Your right, clearly this level of stupid shit is ONLY because of DJT. We are so busted.

Wasn't it her boss and party who hired this guy in the FCC ? Oh fuck what do facts matter.

[Tech614]

Well you reap what you sow.
That what happens when you vote an unethical billionaire to run your country with the hope that he will care about your interests.

The person responsible for the repeal was appointed by Obama. Not Trump. Our statement for NN hold more value when we actually use facts.

I also think people should fact check on how many countries actually have NN laws. Not many do, and if you're not in the USA there is a high chance you already live/lived in a country that didn't have them.

[hakujinbakasama]

The person responsible for the repeal was appointed by Obama. Not Trump. Our statement for NN hold more value when we actually use facts.

Yeah but reading is hard ya know? Not only That, committing shit to memory takes up space I reserve for porn and cat videos.

[Deleted]

I'm not "bullshitting." Look for 3 seconds you'll find another post I've made where I itemized the cost of internet for my household at a current estimate of $1800 annually and could easily say "fuck that" and do something actually better with the money.

150/month Sounds about normal to me, my average pay is about 4 times less than the us and i pay 4 times less for my internet. You are not paying alot. Get ready for double that for your current access. The prices go up not down you half wit. I expect you to do something better with your money, since it was a claim of yours that doing so requires balls, i dare you to show you have any then. Untill then you are a hypocrite still using the internet.

1. Don't presume to what I do or don't know. It's funny that you can so adamantly assume what I am or am not aware.

You are not, and i will because thats what you shown.

2. "Common websites" is ubiquitous as well as unimportant to me. If they cannot afford a product which facilitates Netflix that's life. I cannot afford a private jet...the world keeps spinning.

They can ask more for anything now, You are literally joyful about the new ability of your ISP to shark you on what you want. You are not for the common folk, you are a poor person enjoying a shit shower and yelling "yay give me more". You are not very bright.

3. It seems you are conflating my position of mocking chicken littles to that of one of hysteria. You should fix that.

No your position isnt hysteria, your position is willfull ignorance about net neutrality and what its repeal means to everyone including poor people. You cant read with understanding. You dont understand the issue. Somehow in your head corporations being able to ask more for the parts of internet you actually like equates to you saving money because you dont use netflix. They will actually ask for more for the internet parts you like. And proppably based on individual user habbits. They will shark you exactly on what YOU do with your internet. even if its just email and a news article. They can do that to you now YAY! Another victory for the rural montana!

[DesoPL]

Well you reap what you sow.
That what happens when you vote an unethical billionaire to run your country with the hope that he will care about your interests.

Frankly this is a major indication on how much corrupt and not-free your country is, lobbyist are shoving billions into representatives throats to vote against your interests all the time, but you still vote the same people over and over again.

Net neutrality it's just the start of all things.
You already had one of the shittiest internet status among the 1st world countries, data limits, expensive services, 0 privacy and now you're falling deeper into the hole where your ISP can throttle or block access to any site they don't like or they don't pay them enough.
We're talking about some North Korea level of shit here.

Well done Amurica, well done.

Pretty much this. But still probably people will again vote for Trump in next elections with promise of. "Let's make US great again" People never learn actually, until they are hitted hard in the face.

But i guess this is issue as well with every democracy country at the moment though. People vote for unethical assholes caring only for thier buisness, heh story of my life though.

[Lochton]

Well you reap what you sow.
That what happens when you vote an unethical billionaire to run your country with the hope that he will care about your interests.

Frankly this is a major indication on how much corrupt and not-free your country is, lobbyist are shoving billions into representatives throats to vote against your interests all the time, but you still vote the same people over and over again.

Net neutrality it's just the start of all things.
You already had one of the shittiest internet status among the 1st world countries, data limits, expensive services, 0 privacy and now you're falling deeper into the hole where your ISP can throttle or block access to any site they don't like or they don't pay them enough.
We're talking about some North Korea level of shit here.

Well done Amurica, well done.

Harsh and on point but true nonetheless.

[Gestopft]

Wasn't it her boss and party who hired this guy in the FCC ? Oh fuck what do facts matter.

The person responsible for the repeal was appointed by Obama. Not Trump. Our statement for NN hold more value when we actually use facts.

Only three of five seats can be taken by one party. Obama nominated Ajit Pai at Mitch McConnell's recommendation because he was required to nominate a Republican.

Not that the revolving door aspect isn't a hugely important factor in general, but McConnell shares more of the blame for Pai, really.

[Tech614]

true nonetheless.

No part of it is true. Today would have happened regardless of Trump, Hilary or Bigfoot being president of the US. The plans to put this in motion come from a guy appointed by Obama, and while Obama is not directly at fault for this this is shit that has been in motion for a long time.

This is what happens when you have guys who have lucrative jobs at Verizon waiting for them running the FCC, jack shit to do with Trump and was in motion before he was ever a candidate let alone president.

[DrMcNinja]

The internet worked just fine for a couple of decades before the government stepped in. Good riddance to NN - I don’t need governments fucking it up with BS regulations and taxing the shit out of it which would happen under NN.

The few instances of ISPs throttling were caught and dealt with. But quite frankly, companies like Netflix, Skype etc have been abusing the lines that the ISPs spent billions to install and maintain. And why shouldn’t a heavy user pay more than someone who just checks the news and their email?

They use the argument that sites like Netflix and YouTube use too much bandwidth as a means to get those companies to pay. They suddenly refused to upgrade their ports and as a result it caused more buffering and delays, and then asked for ransom to get it upgraded, Despite the fact that Netflix users were using high-speed broadband they had paid for and were expected to have.

This led to further enforcement of net neutrality under Obama.

[Lamoot]

We had something good for too long. Life doesn't work that way. Time to be miserable to make up for all the great times. The cause? $$$$

By "too long" you mean 8 years? Remember back in 2008, before Net Neutrality, when you had to buy the google package and the Amazon package from your ISP? Yeah, me either.

[Fleuria]

By "too long" you mean 8 years? Remember back in 2008, before Net Neutrality, when you had to buy the google package and the Amazon package from your ISP? Yeah, me either.

Yet since the global crash, every company has become insanely fucking hungry for money and netflix/hulu/amazon prime never really existed back then.

[Cyi]

I have gig service from comcast for $190 a month with 30% packet loss that "isn't bad enough for them to fix"

Actual quote from the technician.

I use a vpn and that resolves the packet loss.

And thats the better of the two ISPs, the other being Centurlink with $50 for 20mb with around 15% packet loss that a vpn does not fix.

Last I heard Google fiber was green lit in denver under a partner company, hopefully it spreads to the suburbs quick.

Good lord that is bad. I wish you luck. Why so much money do you live in a remote location or something?

[mittacc]

So how'd it go?

[Lamoot]

Yet since the global crash, every company has become insanely fucking hungry for money and netflix/hulu/amazon prime never really existed back then.

I like the idea of being able to access any website i choose to, but at the end of the day, it's the ISP's company. You don't have a right to dictate how said ISP runs their company. Government shouldn't be getting involved in things like that. Like I said, in 2008, I wasn't paying any extra to access Google and Amazon at the same time, so i highly doubt I will now. That being said, i'd compare it more to cellphone plans. Remember when all the big networks did away with unlimited plans? Now at least 2 companies have brought it back because people started using other networks. Even if ISPs do start charging more to access different websites, it won't last, because people will protest against said ISP. We don't need more government regulations.

[Tech614]

You don't have a right to dictate how said ISP runs their company.

Ugh, ISPs deliver service to you through cables that where paid for by tax payers so ugh yea, we kind of do.

Educate yourself on the matter.

[Fleuria]

I like the idea of being able to access any website i choose to, but at the end of the day, it's the ISP's company. You don't have a right to dictate how said ISP runs their company. Government shouldn't be getting involved in things like that. Like I said, in 2008, I wasn't paying any extra to access Google and Amazon at the same time, so i highly doubt I will now. That being said, i'd compare it more to cellphone plans. Remember when all the big networks did away with unlimited plans? Now at least 2 companies have brought it back because people started using other networks. Even if ISPs do start charging more to access different websites, it won't last, because people will protest against said ISP. We don't need more government regulations.

So you are saying when Timewarner and ComCast start throttling your net, your be fine with it when they will probably offer top ups for other things for unlimited access at non throttled speeds? all I can say is thank fuck I live in Europe where currently it's regulated as hell so companies can't really rip you off(although I like in the UK so theirs every chance of shit like this happening after brexit).

[Deianeira]

Good riddance.

It's amazing how badly the media has gripped the world population by the jugular in making them believe somehow that government regulation of the internet is a good thing. More government regulation only leads to less innovation. A prime example of this is the telecom industry. It wasn't until the government regulations on the telecom industry happened that innovative companies started to change the way the phone industry works. You can thank deregulation for that sweet smart phone you have by your side.

Why should we allow big internet providers maintain their monopoly on internet service? Allowing companies to charge different amounts for the different type of content you consume will only increase competition. As more players enter the internet service provider arena, prices will naturally go down because they will be competing for your business. Forcing service providers to charge the same rate for higher bandwidth usage by defacto eliminates or very severely hampers the ability for competition.

If a smaller "mom and pop" ISP enters the arena and is forced to charge you the same rate for all your internet usage, they couldn't compete with the Comcasts and the Verizons because naturally they don't have economies of scale. But lets say you only needed internet service to check your email, or to do online shopping, and you never went to streaming service websites, and you never used Youtube or did any file sharing downloads... and there are MILLIONS of people like that. And a smaller "mom and pop" ISP could offer their service for $30 bucks a month, but had certain websites as add-on charges, it would allow those people to have a better option for their internet usage than having to pay $70-80 bucks for high speed internet when they aren't going to use the streaming services anyway.

Net Neutrality being gone is a GOOD thing, because it creates an environment where more COMPETITION can happen, and as more competition happens, quality of service goes up, and price goes down. That's basic economics 101.

And how do you suppose a "mom and Pop" isp would go about breaking into the market where there is only one or two providers atm? What infrastructure would they use? The one that the current providers own? Or do you think they would lay down their own infrastructure? Lol really.

[Laqweeta]

Greed will be the end of the world

[hakujinbakasama]

So you are saying when Timewarner and ComCast start throttling your net, your be fine with it when they will probably offer top ups for other things for unlimited access at non throttled speeds? all I can say is thank fuck I live in Europe where currently it's regulated as hell so companies can't really rip you off(although I like in the UK so theirs every chance of shit like this happening after brexit).

I know right. If the trade off was cheap internet at the sweet sweet low price of freedom of speech being removed I would be all over it.

I'm sad I don't love in the sjw Facebook of big brother.