[Movie] Star Wars VIII: The Last Jedi

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I'm inbetween kylo lying to her about seeing her future, it being true, and her not actually having parents (A child of the Force)

Thats true, when she went into that cave thing and asked it to show her parents and it showed her, i was thinking it was maybe another child of the force thing, but i hope they don't go that route. Kylo lying and manipulating her is definitely possible.

[Kathandira]

Thats true, when she went into that cave thing and asked it to show her parents and it showed her, i was thinking it was maybe another child of the force thing, but i hope they don't go that route. Kylo lying and manipulating her is definitely possible.

The force connection between Rey and Kylo was a setup by Snoke. So with that in mind, anything they saw, could have been planted by Snoke as well.

I feel this was left with questions on purpose. But I could be very very wrong.

[Arrowstormen]

Thats true, when she went into that cave thing and asked it to show her parents and it showed her, i was thinking it was maybe another child of the force thing, but i hope they don't go that route. Kylo lying and manipulating her is definitely possible.

I think the cave showed her worst fears, one of which was loneliness. She wanted to see her parents, and while it seemed like it showed her herself, I think it was actually just it showing her nothing, just her reflection. Which was her other fear, being a nobody from nowhere, who had spend her life scavenging and living among the ruins of the greater forces that came before her time.

I suspect Rey's parents being nobodies was never supposed to be a mystery, I remember Daisy Ridley saying she thought TFA made it clear who they where (or something along those lines). People just made it one, so they worked with it.

[Kathandira]

I think the cave showed her worst fears, one of which was loneliness. She wanted to see her parents, and while it seemed like it showed her herself, I think it was actually just it showing her nothing, just her reflection. Which was her other fear, being a nobody from nowhere, who had spend her life scavenging and living among the ruins of the greater forces that came before her time.

That's a good way of dissecting the scene. I could get behind that.

[Arlee]

Why don't u edit peoples posts that contain spoilers? They are still up for everyone to see..

I have edited the ones I've seen, if there are ones that have been missed report them and we'll get to them.

[Halyon]

I think the cave showed her worst fears, one of which was loneliness. She wanted to see her parents, and while it seemed like it showed her herself, I think it was actually just it showing her nothing, just her reflection. Which was her other fear, being a nobody from nowhere, who had spend her life scavenging and living among the ruins of the greater forces that came before her time.

I suspect Rey's parents being nobodies was never supposed to be a mystery, I remember Daisy Ridley saying she thought TFA made it clear who they where (or something along those lines). People just made it one, so they worked with it.

It could mean a fair few things. Also symbolically. The whole movie had messages for the fanbase. This one could easily mean "you're not your parents/defined by your parents". And it's true. Why does her parents matter aside from herself? It doesn't. Pleasing fans with some prodigiy of a legend is getting boring. It's also been done to death. It doesn't matter, she's Rey, not some passed-down surname.

[B][I]If[/I][/B] she is a nobody, fine with me. What Kylo said could be a lie (but I don't think so), it would more plausibly be a half-truth, akin to what he told her about Luke attempting to kill him in his sleep. He's not trying to antagonize her here, he's trying to win her over, and you don't do that by blatantly lying. I'd be fine with it if we don't find out either tbh, because it doesn't matter other than giving Rey character development...if it falls under that.

[Katchii]

I respectfully disagree. The movie felt plenty grandiose to me, and I didn't feel like the movie was exposition heavy at all. The movie had a strong pace and something constantly happened, it was filled with action and had basically four acts. The parts of the movie I found the least interesting were the two segments on Cando Bight, and even then most of the second segment was action.

Just because something is happening on screen doesn't mean the pacing is good. It being filled with action is also not necessarily a good thing. Saturday morning cartoons are filled with action, that doesn't make it good or meaningful. IMO there should have been less action.

For the bolded above, IMO that's a very bad thing for this movie. Because of how heavily it's hinted on Rey's future and her place in all of this, the stuff that happened between her and Luke on that island, all of the "wisdom" Luke has to pass on because of his experiences and insight in the Force, the history of the Jedi, balance in the Force, and her "training" should have been a much larger part of the movie. It SHOULD have been exposition heavy, and it wasn't. And the thing between her and Kylo is weakly explained in a throw away line...which isn't even believable.

The whole thing that happened with Cando (I honestly didn't even catch this guys name in the movie and had forgotten until you wrote it here...that's how quickly things like that get glossed over), the whole casino city sequence, was stupid IMO.

[Kathandira]

Just because something is happening on screen doesn't mean the pacing is good. It being filled with action is also not necessarily a good thing. Saturday morning cartoons are filled with action, that doesn't make it good or meaningful. IMO there should have been less action.

For the bolded above, IMO that's a very bad thing for this movie. Because of how heavily it's hinted on Rey's future and her place in all of this, the stuff that happened between her and Luke on that island, all of the "wisdom" Luke has to pass on because of his experiences and insight in the Force, the history of the Jedi, balance in the Force, and her "training" should have been a much larger part of the movie. It SHOULD have been exposition heavy, and it wasn't. And the thing between her and Kylo is weakly explained in a throw away line...which isn't even believable.

The whole thing that happened with Cando (I honestly didn't even catch this guys name in the movie and had forgotten until you wrote it here...that's how quickly things like that get glossed over), the whole casino city sequence, was stupid IMO.

I think the entire Casino City story could have been omitted and replaced with something more impactful. It felt very weak and mostly boring. Even with the action in it, I was bored with it.

[Arrowstormen]

Just because something is happening on screen doesn't mean the pacing is good. It being filled with action is also not necessarily a good thing. Saturday morning cartoons are filled with action, that doesn't make it good or meaningful. IMO there should have been less action.

For the bolded above, IMO that's a very bad thing for this movie. Because of how heavily it's hinted on Rey's future and her place in all of this, the stuff that happened between her and Luke on that island, all of the "wisdom" Luke has to pass on because of his experiences and insight in the Force, the history of the Jedi, balance in the Force, and her "training" should have been a much larger part of the movie. It SHOULD have been exposition heavy, and it wasn't. And the thing between her and Kylo is weakly explained in a throw away line...which isn't even believable.

You just said it was super heavy on exposition. Hard to know what you are actually arguing for.

Anything outside the two Canto Bight parts had completely fine pacing.

[Katchii]

You just said it was super heavy on exposition. Hard to know what you are actually arguing for.

Anything outside the two Canto Bight parts had completely fine pacing.

What I meant by that was the movie was trying to give you a lot of information, and I feel that it didn't do a very good job actually conveying that information in a credible way that ensures or at least makes a valiant attempt at getting the audience to understand the gravity and implications of the information being conveyed.

And I'l disagree with you, I felt the pacing of the movie was pretty terrible overall, but especially so during the sequences with Cando.

[Faroth]

[B][I]If[/I][/B] she is a nobody, fine with me. What Kylo said could be a lie (but I don't think so), it would more plausibly be a half-truth, akin to what he told her about Luke attempting to kill him in his sleep. He's not trying to antagonize her here, he's trying to win her over, and you don't do that by blatantly lying. I'd be fine with it if we don't find out either tbh, because it doesn't matter other than giving Rey character development...if it falls under that.

I think it works perfectly fine for her to be a nobody from small beginnings with no lineage to live up to, but I really wish they hadn't made Luke so pointless. I was hoping he would have found the original teachings and interpreted what people think of as the gray Jedi - that the Balance in the Force is within the individual. That emotions aren't to be locked away and abandoned, but accepted without letting them control you. I was hoping he would train Rey and once and for all fulfill the prophecy that Anakin, through his son, brings balance to the Force by putting the Jedi on a new path. From there, Rey would be the one to carry the torch of this new age of the Jedi.

Instead, Luke does nothing of the sort and Rey trains herself to use the lightsaber, furthers her mastery of the Force without a teacher, and is just still all around the best darn person at everything. All the people saying "Wait until Episode 8, it will explain how she can do all the Jedi things with no training at all. And Episode 8's explanation is "she's chosen by the Force, so she instinctively does all the things on her own because she's Rey." Really a let down for me.

[minteK917]

Love most of the movie, only the casino stuff got boring quick. Thankfully it was not a too huge chunk of the movie it could have easily spiraled into prequel territory. Like yes its cool to see different world, but are you actually putting something interesting on screen in that extended universe, the answer of that casino planet was simply no, it was almost camino during attack of the clone, ok this is boring, plz go somewhere else.

MVPs:
-Ben
-Hux
-Luke

The humor from Hux was one of the best part, kinda like you end up liking minor characters in SW like Tarkin in A new hope, they have their own style, their own charisma. Hux is just a cartoon, but they use him exactly like they should and Glesson just plays it exactly like he has to.

Loved the usage of extended universe force power. Force projection, force reach, etc. Puppet Yoda wooo.

Ben solo finally given the screen play he deserved, Adam just played the most intense star wars character ever put on screen. He doesent need any kind of redemption, does not want one. This film was his story and not Rey, infact as soon as it is revealed that Rey is just nobody, she almost vanishes from the film and its all About the Skywalkers stand off. Rey and Ben relationship is actually a pretty compelling dynamic that works. Im glad they actually established both feel they want to work together, but on the different side. Which im hoping the end result will be they meet in the middle. Considering they made it clear that Rey is so easily attracted to the dark side and that Ben is also easily attracted to the light. As someone that enjoys stuff like KOTOR, i really enjoy the fact the movie says exactly what we can all figure out by now. If the Jedi or the Sith actually had the right idea, why do they keep falling. Why does the empire and the republic keep falling one after another in this galaxy.

[Faroth]

One more question - anyone have a speculation on why Luke's Force projection used Anakin's lightsaber when Anakin's lightsaber was destroyed moments before? The haircut was fine, but the Just For Men beard and the Anakin lightsaber seemed to tip off something was off for what they seemed to want to be a misdirection. Why would he not use his own green saber for the projection? It's not like they didn't have the model or forgot about it since it's right there in the flash back. I just can't piece together any logic for Luke to use that one for his projection. Of course, as I've probably made clear, I can really see this as the Luke I've always liked for decades, either. I completely understand why Hamill was unhappy with the character arc and would have liked Lucas' vision to have been used for the skeleton for others to flesh out.

[Archon14]

As someone that enjoys stuff like KOTOR, i really enjoy the fact the movie says exactly what we can all figure out by now. If the Jedi or the Sith actually had the right idea, why do they keep falling. Why does the empire and the republic keep falling one after another in this galaxy.

Indeed. There's a long history of orders overthrowing each other. I wonder if Disney has the balls to provide an alternative solution.

I remember being so excited when I watched the Knights of the Eternal Empire trailer for Swtor, hoping I'll find a new order that I could be a part of. The order was there, but so was the good ol' Emperor that I had to kill yet again. At least at the end you got to choose how things would go from there.

Kotor games had the meter, I was always close to the middle, never embracing the light or dark too heavily.

[Kathandira]

I think it works perfectly fine for her to be a nobody from small beginnings with no lineage to live up to, but I really wish they hadn't made Luke so pointless. I was hoping he would have found the original teachings and interpreted what people think of as the gray Jedi - that the Balance in the Force is within the individual. That emotions aren't to be locked away and abandoned, but accepted without letting them control you.

I was hoping for the exact same thing when I saw the trailer. To the T.

[minteK917]

One more question - anyone have a speculation on why Luke's Force projection used Anakin's lightsaber when Anakin's lightsaber was destroyed moments before? The haircut was fine, but the Just For Men beard and the Anakin lightsaber seemed to tip off something was off for what they seemed to want to be a misdirection. Why would he not use his own green saber for the projection? It's not like they didn't have the model or forgot about it since it's right there in the flash back. I just can't piece together any logic for Luke to use that one for his projection. Of course, as I've probably made clear, I can really see this as the Luke I've always liked for decades, either. I completely understand why Hamill was unhappy with the character arc and would have liked Lucas' vision to have been used for the skeleton for others to flesh out.

Its a hint that its a projection. If you pay attention, Luke footsteps does not appear on the ground either moving no salt, thats why they focus so much on Bens feet, you see his footsteps moving the salt, then when it cut to a big angle, even when luke is moving, salt is not moving. The blue sader is pretty much just to make it even more obvious. Which in turn plays into Ben character, he doesent even picks up on any of this, like some of the audience, hes emotion based only. The only thing he has on his mind are killing Luke and Blowing up the falcon. Hell he gets so mad at just the view of the falcon, even if you know he doesent want to kill Rey and that its a stupid move to have them chase the ship, its still the only thing on his mind.

[ohiostate124]

Just came back from it.

Wow.......that was a massive disappointment.

[Paperfox]

My brother went to see it last night and says it was, "same old same old" so same as one before. Maybe if it comes out on Netflix I'll watch it - so that's like never lol.

If the Star Wars franchise is successful, then you'll never see the end of them - even if you live to be a hundred.

[ohiostate124]

My brother went to see it last night and says it was, "same old same old" so same as one before. Maybe if it comes out on Netflix I'll watch it - so that's like never lol.

If the Star Wars franchise is successful, then you'll never see the end of them - even if you live to be a hundred.

It’s worse than the Force Awakens imo. Atleast that one is rewatchable. The Last Jedi’s plot is sooo stupid.

[Faroth]

Its a hint that its a projection. If you pay attention, Luke footsteps does not appear on the ground either moving no salt, thats why they focus so much on Bens feet, you see his footsteps moving the salt, then when it cut to a big angle, even when luke is moving, salt is not moving. The blue sader is pretty much just to make it even more obvious. Which in turn plays into Ben character, he doesent even picks up on any of this, like some of the audience, hes emotion based only. The only thing he has on his mind are killing Luke and Blowing up the falcon. Hell he gets so mad at just the view of the falcon, even if you know he doesent want to kill Rey and that its a stupid move to have them chase the ship, its still the only thing on his mind.

Just seemed weird to put blatant hint after hint of tip off for a misdirection that ultimately served no purpose that his presence wouldn't have equally served. And I still don't get why from an internal character perspective, why Luke would be using Anakin's instead of *his* saber