[Movie] Star Wars VIII: The Last Jedi

[ryan11d7]

It was a really dissapointing way to handle snoke imo. I hope we get more information about who he was in the next movie or books/comics/tv series what ever. Seems like he could be interesting.

Snoke looks pretty old and looks like he should be dead, all those scars and missing tissue around his face/neck, seems like he could have a really interesting backstory. And not to mention being super powerful, i really wanted to find out a bit more about him, where he came from, because i doubt a being as powerful as him was just chilling on some random planet during the time of the republic, then the empire etc.

I know this hand is overplayed, but I am hoping Snoke was someone like Plagueis or an equal to him. Audio is tried killing him so he let Sidious think he did and he went on the dl or somehow just fed off of Sidious, after Sidious died he returned to lead. He felt Kylo was going to turn on him and so he planned/convinced Kylo he is dead/or attached/feeding off of Kylo now. Would be a good way to never end up like all the other with lords, killed by their apprentice. But I know that’s too much to hope for. Odds are Snoke is just some powerful force user who took power after Sidious and died because of over confidence.

[Slybak]

It was a really dissapointing way to handle snoke imo. I hope we get more information about who he was in the next movie or books/comics/tv series what ever. Seems like he could be interesting.

Snoke looks pretty old and looks like he should be dead, all those scars and missing tissue around his face/neck, seems like he could have a really interesting backstory. And not to mention being super powerful, i really wanted to find out a bit more about him, where he came from, because i doubt a being as powerful as him was just chilling on some random planet during the time of the republic, then the empire etc.

We got nothing on Palpatine's story - *not even his name* - in the original trilogy. All that stuff was EU and, later, the prequels. Snoke has a similar function in that he's basically a motivational device for the trilogy's real villain.

Honestly, people disappointed that they're favorite Snoke theory wasn't confirmed or denied are kinda missing the forest through the trees. Stuff like that gets sorted out in the non-film canon. This story was always going to have Kylo Ren and Rey at the center, and killing Snoke was the only way to get there without going through original trilogy retreads. In fact, the throne room scene in TLJ is a pretty good subversion of the throne room scene in ROTJ.

[Sormine]

"But if these are your complaints, then frankly you've done nothing to alter my opinion me that TLJ is a steak that's been served to too many people who have subsisted on a diet of doritos and snickers bars. " Is pretty freaking silly.

As much as TLJ was trying to be ESB it isn't and never will be. The only thing they both have in common is mixed reviews at the moment, but it seems audiences are not nearly as sold on this current attempt.

Just finished watching the movie. I've gotta say I don't think it was at all trying to be ESB. However I will say that, ranked among all the star wars films, I would put this one number 2 below ESB. Not sure why audience scores would be so mixed, unless they got a lot of bored girlfriends who got dragged to the film as their reviewers.

[Deleted]

The movie was to political for me, i saw "straight" thru all the gay and lesbian propaganda. They joked around back in early 2000 that there were only 1 asian in the entire Star wars universe. Now the movie is crawling with chinese people to please the chinese market.

Its not going to age well, all the political memes about the US thats portrayed in the movie are going to age faster than the memes in the Deadpool movie.

I was entertained, but i would not call this movie a Star wars movie. It would be better as a stand alone movie, just like the Han solo one.

[Deleted]

Okay , i loved it. While i did not like episode 7 that much. This one was great. Good story arcs , good hero/villian moments and character development. Great effects. The humor was not that irritating as in MCU/DCU etc movies.


Side note. Any seen Rottentomatoes score...holy shit.
I am insulted with the people posting on there.
They give it a low score for the following things: to little character development, to many story lines ( 4 of them), a good by to some old friend(s). If you read the comments you think holy shit...this people really do not know movies...this movie has great story, allot of development in the characters. Instead of the simple FF franchise story lines a nice one. And its setup a new star wars universe witch is free of the previous one, by still honoring it.


SPOILERS BELOW!! beware!!!
Lets go in deep on it:
- character development: Pretty much all the new hero's/villains have a bit of story around them. Some more then others. Poe gets allot of teaching in how to follow up leia in the future. Rey gets allot of training how to become the new Main jedi. Finn finally finds his footing. Emo skywalker Jr also gets allot of deep conflicting emotions. They also introduce a new hero Rose , who's has a great story about who she is, why she is etc

- Luke's "death" : also allot of fanboys who hate that he has become one with the force. While its clear from the start of the movie that he is not going to make it to the end. And its clear from the start that he is ( story wise) to powerful so he needed to end. And they did it with grace. And carrie fisher....holy shit. She had some epic moments. But even then you see they are setting up for her to leave also.

- multiple story lines: Apparently most of these "fans" are idiots and can not handle more then 1 story line. It has 4 running at all times. 3 main ones are Poe, Finn, Rey. And the 4th one the jumps between luke and kylo


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who says snoke is death? He might be someone like valkorion.

I have a bit of hope that Snoke isn't actually gone. He looks like he's survived worth than being cut in half, considering half his face looks like its rotted away.

[Zoldor]

It was a really dissapointing way to handle snoke imo. I hope we get more information about who he was in the next movie or books/comics/tv series what ever. Seems like he could be interesting.

Snoke looks pretty old and looks like he should be dead, all those scars and missing tissue around his face/neck, seems like he could have a really interesting backstory. And not to mention being super powerful, i really wanted to find out a bit more about him, where he came from, because i doubt a being as powerful as him was just chilling on some random planet during the time of the republic, then the empire etc.

Agreed, the writing was pretty cop out throughout the film. Rey's parent drop was, they were just normal shit folk, which could still be retcon but we'll see. The lack of info and weakass way Snoke died was trash too. It was like they sat around the writers room and went "Well, we got the fans all amped up with these questions, instead of answering them or attempting to make it interesting lets just make it a McGuffin to get them into the theater. Oh, and we can put in a ton of campy jokes, at every turn."

The writing feels very modern Hollywood. Which isn't really that great. The scene with the destroyer's chasing the resistance is absolute trash. Who cares if you can't properly back the Tie Fighters. It is literally 3 ships. Just send them out overwhelm them and destroy them. Since when is the First Order worried about loss of Storm Troopers and Tie Fighters. That entire chase scene makes no sense. Lasers loose their potency from a distance?! Since when is that a thing.

I enjoyed the movie for the most part, and I'll see it again to give it a fair shake, but as of now it isn't one of my favorite SW films for sure. The added powers Snoke got and all the telepathy going on across the galaxy and astral projection stuff was a little much as well. And drastically overused. Luke's death was trash if it was going to kill him, why not show up in person and die or do the Obi-Wan strike down. Carrie Fisher is dead and they claimed they had that taken care of in this film, yet Leia still alive at the end meaning we are getting a time jump or she dies off screen?! or they have some footage of a death scene for her laying around. There was an overkill of filler scenes that were totally unnecessary as well. I was really disappointed in Rain Johnson all around on this one.

Oh well they can't all be home runs, but this was pretty poor writing, and really seemed lazy and a long ass way to be like we get it Kylo is in conflict (duh) and Rey and him have a bond. Glad it took 2.5 hours for us to get to that. Oh and Luke is full of jokes.

[Altrec]

What makes you think TLJ was trying to be ESB? They're completely different movies tonally and thematically.

They had similar scenes in a few places as well and some of the themes were similar. Final battle in TLJ was essentially the battle at Hoth(for that matter same with the escape from the planet at the beginning). Both movies were the rebels/resistances beaten back running from the Empire/First Order. The entire idea of needing hope was more or less the same. Rey going to train on a planet with a master of the force in exile much like Luke went to train with Yoda in exile on Dagobah. Luke enters a cave full of the Dark side of the force to learn about himself and sees himself inside of Vader's mask is pretty similar to Rey going into a cave by the sea to learn about herself only to see herself. Poe ignores the commander of the fleet to save the day much like Luke ignores Yoda to save his friends(end results are different). That is just off the top of my head and there are probably a lot more similariesties.

But yeah, those movies were nothing alike...

[Slybak]

Just finished watching the movie. I've gotta say I don't think it was at all trying to be ESB. However I will say that, ranked among all the star wars films, I would put this one number 2 below ESB. Not sure why audience scores would be so mixed, unless they got a lot of bored girlfriends who got dragged to the film as their reviewers.

It's all "you ruined my childhood" nonsense, mostly due to the fact that people weren't ready for a human Luke who still had a bit of an emotional journey left in him.

[Sormine]

It was a really dissapointing way to handle snoke imo. I hope we get more information about who he was in the next movie or books/comics/tv series what ever. Seems like he could be interesting.

Snoke looks pretty old and looks like he should be dead, all those scars and missing tissue around his face/neck, seems like he could have a really interesting backstory. And not to mention being super powerful, i really wanted to find out a bit more about him, where he came from, because i doubt a being as powerful as him was just chilling on some random planet during the time of the republic, then the empire etc.

Wait, I thought they basically confirmed he was the emperors master?

[Deleted]

We got nothing on Palpatine's story - *not even his name* - in the original trilogy. All that stuff was EU and, later, the prequels. Snoke has a similar function in that he's basically a motivational device for the trilogy's real villain.

Honestly, people disappointed that they're favorite Snoke theory wasn't confirmed or denied are kinda missing the forest through the trees. Stuff like that gets sorted out in the non-film canon. This story was always going to have Kylo Ren and Rey at the center, and killing Snoke was the only way to get there without going through original trilogy retreads. In fact, the throne room scene in TLJ is a pretty good subversion of the throne room scene in ROTJ.

Just because they did the same with Palpatine, doesn't mean they couldn't have gone a different way this time. Kylo and Rey just are not that interesting. I don't mind Snoke dying really, and the whole throne room scene was really cool imo, i just wished they hinted a little more about Snokes past or something before killing him. Not a full blown backstory, but a few hints to keep fans guessing, but instead we don't know any more about him than we did in TFA.

[Slybak]

They had similar scenes in a few places as well and some of the themes were similar. Final battle in TLJ was essentially the battle at Hoth(for that matter same with the escape from the planet at the beginning). Both movies were the rebels/resistances beaten back running from the Empire/First Order. The entire idea of needing hope was more or less the same. Rey going to train on a planet with a master of the force in exile much like Luke went to train with Yoda in exile on Dagobah. Luke enters a cave full of the Dark side of the force to learn about himself and sees himself inside of Vader's mask is pretty similar to Rey going into a cave by the sea to learn about herself only to see herself. Poe ignores the commander of the fleet to save the day much like Luke ignores Yoda to save his friends(end results are different). That is just off the top of my head and there are probably a lot more similariesties.

But yeah, those movies were nothing alike...

Sharing certain story beats doesn't mean that one was trying to be like the other. Its the "middle movie."

[Ealyssa]

dear god I hope she isn't dead and yet again finds a way to escape so she can swear vengeance and come back Vadered up and somewhat mentally unhinged

And people actually dare saying the new star wars are badly written

[Deleted]

Wait, I thought they basically confirmed he was the emperors master?

I don't think that was ever even hinted at in the movie?

[Zoldor]

The movie was to political for me, i saw "straight" thru all the gay and lesbian propaganda. They joked around back in early 2000 that there were only 1 asian in the entire Star wars universe. Now the movie is crawling with chinese people to please the chinese market.

Its not going to age well, all the political memes about the US thats portrayed in the movie are going to age faster than the memes in the Deadpool movie.

I was entertained, but i would not call this movie a Star wars movie. It would be better as a stand alone movie, just like the Han solo one.

There was gay and lesbian propaganda? I missed that, must be looking for things in many places. Missed the political stuff as well, as, every SW movie is pretty political and basically the same shit political story since the first one. I think you are finding patterns in places they don't actually exists.

Who cares if there is asian actors in there, it is a galaxy of many people. In fact, lucas toyed with the idea of using only Asian actors for the first trilogy. I think you are seeing marketing and propaganda in places it doesn't exist.

[Sormine]

I don't think that was ever even hinted at in the movie?

I'm almost positive he had a line about "his former apprentice" immediately followed by a line about vader.

[Deleted]

Agreed, the writing was pretty cop out throughout the film. Rey's parent drop was, they were just normal shit folk, which could still be retcon but we'll see. The lack of info and weakass way Snoke died was trash too. It was like they sat around the writers room and went "Well, we got the fans all amped up with these questions, instead of answering them or attempting to make it interesting lets just make it a McGuffin to get them into the theater. Oh, and we can put in a ton of campy jokes, at every turn."

The writing feels very modern Hollywood. Which isn't really that great. The scene with the destroyer's chasing the resistance is absolute trash. Who cares if you can't properly back the Tie Fighters. It is literally 3 ships. Just send them out overwhelm them and destroy them. Since when is the First Order worried about loss of Storm Troopers and Tie Fighters. That entire chase scene makes no sense. Lasers loose their potency from a distance?! Since when is that a thing.

I enjoyed the movie for the most part, and I'll see it again to give it a fair shake, but as of now it isn't one of my favorite SW films for sure. The added powers Snoke got and all the telepathy going on across the galaxy and astral projection stuff was a little much as well. And drastically overused. Luke's death was trash if it was going to kill him, why not show up in person and die or do the Obi-Wan strike down. Carrie Fisher is dead and they claimed they had that taken care of in this film, yet Leia still alive at the end meaning we are getting a time jump or she dies off screen?! or they have some footage of a death scene for her laying around. There was an overkill of filler scenes that were totally unnecessary as well. I was really disappointed in Rain Johnson all around on this one.

Oh well they can't all be home runs, but this was pretty poor writing, and really seemed lazy and a long ass way to be like we get it Kylo is in conflict (duh) and Rey and him have a bond. Glad it took 2.5 hours for us to get to that. Oh and Luke is full of jokes.

What i didn't get about the whole chase thing, why couldn't the first order just catch board them? Even if we're going to believe there was no way their ships could go slightly faster in order to catch them, did they have no smaller ships that could go faster, the ties caught them, didn't they have any boarding ships or something?

[babalou1]

It was a really dissapointing way to handle snoke imo. I hope we get more information about who he was in the next movie or books/comics/tv series what ever. Seems like he could be interesting.

Snoke looks pretty old and looks like he should be dead, all those scars and missing tissue around his face/neck, seems like he could have a really interesting backstory. And not to mention being super powerful, i really wanted to find out a bit more about him, where he came from, because i doubt a being as powerful as him was just chilling on some random planet during the time of the republic, then the empire etc.

It was rather disappointing. He had full on command of the force with little issue about showing it.

Instant reaction force lightning. Rey getting pulled to him without him doing a thing. The dude was ultra powerful with the force.

The only defense, ill give Kylo about Snokes death was that Kylo was doing the same thing with both hands. He turned HIS saber with his right hand, while using his left to turn the opposite saber.

So from Snokes force pov, he was doing exactly what Snoke was saying.

[Slybak]

Wait, I thought they basically confirmed he was the emperors master?

Snoke was Palpatine's buddy from Dark Side college. They became fast friends after meeting during fraternity pledge week, with both having decided to join the local chapter of SAE.

I mean, this is just as relevant a theory as any other.

[Deleted]

The movie was to political for me, i saw "straight" thru all the gay and lesbian propaganda. They joked around back in early 2000 that there were only 1 asian in the entire Star wars universe. Now the movie is crawling with chinese people to please the chinese market.

Its not going to age well, all the political memes about the US thats portrayed in the movie are going to age faster than the memes in the Deadpool movie.

I was entertained, but i would not call this movie a Star wars movie. It would be better as a stand alone movie, just like the Han solo one.

Gay and Lesbian propoganda? In TLJ? Which scenes? :/

The aftermath books i'd agree with you, they were complete trash that seemed like they were some shitty fan fiction. But i dont even recall seeing a gay/lesbian character in the movie? In fact the only romance scene i can remember is that stupid scene where Rose kisses Finn.

[ryan11d7]

We got nothing on Palpatine's story - *not even his name* - in the original trilogy. All that stuff was EU and, later, the prequels. Snoke has a similar function in that he's basically a motivational device for the trilogy's real villain.

Honestly, people disappointed that they're favorite Snoke theory wasn't confirmed or denied are kinda missing the forest through the trees. Stuff like that gets sorted out in the non-film canon. This story was always going to have Kylo Ren and Rey at the center, and killing Snoke was the only way to get there without going through original trilogy retreads. In fact, the throne room scene in TLJ is a pretty good subversion of the throne room scene in ROTJ.

That is incorrect. I think the problem is when you build a character up to be the big bad evil in the movie you need a slight information on them. And then they just die with no clear mechanism for handing off to another villain. The emperor had Vader as an already established powerful character that was intimidating. With Snoke, Kyle is still pretty untrained and not so powerful, I mean Rey just completely overpowered him the last movie. Everything led snoke up to be the powerful bad guy and he was killed just like that. When Vader killed sidious he had been around awhile and already established as a powerful replacement villian. Snoke was built up to be super powerful with only about 2 scenes and then he briefly is shown and then dispatched.

How did he come to power, how did the First Order come after Sidious. There are so many plot holes of how we get from ROTJ to now.