[Movie] Star Wars VIII: The Last Jedi

[Altrec]

Oddly, that could have been there without him being president since he is mentioned in a lot of films and especially where casinos are concerned. I liked that there was a mindflayer in there. That was pretty rad.

I'm still missing the LBGT propaganda stuff though. That slipped me totally. Political stuff is everywhere in SW and always has been. Big gambling planets like that are normally filled with scum, this just happens to be rich scum, and war profiteers and slavers. I was surprised by the lack of Hutts there to be honest

The only "LGBT propaganda vibe" I wrote off pretty quick was purple haired Holdo's good bye embrace with Leia. It came across a little odd for some reason. I'm really not sure what the other person was referring too.

[Leadsop]

I would agree accept for the last part. I didn't find the send off respectful at all.

Just asking why. That moment was a HUGE cheer in my theatre. I thought it was perfect for him. He got his moment to be super-powerful, to be witty, to show the 'kid' that he's not as all-powerful as he thought, got to show off a new force power, save the Rebels, and then sacrifice himself to the Force, where he can ultimately be much MUCH more help to Rey than he ever could be in human form.

It was perfect.

[Elim Garak]

Huh...didn't stop to think that the new X-Wings would be an upgrade over the old ones. And I guess it makes sense that the First Order would take TIE fighters even if the new X-Wings surpassed them, they are all about appearances and uniformity.

New X-wings are not better than new Ties. When Poe piloted a Tie in TFA he literally was excited at how "Woah! This thing really moves".
And in all space battles both sides took similar damage, except for when Poe was involved because he's a really good pilot.

[Halyon]

Huh...didn't stop to think that the new X-Wings would be an upgrade over the old ones. And I guess it makes sense that the First Order would take TIE fighters even if the new X-Wings surpassed them, they are all about appearances and uniformity.

Poe even makes a point about the new X-wing he's flying is more sensitive and shit, but tbh, you could mistake it just for the comedy relief. Still, I wouldn't believe that even a new line of X-wings would be better than the new TIE's, that could be down to just sheer technical/mechanical superiority, at least in a space fight.

[Altrec]

Do you just like want to hate it or something? The strategy and execution of it was PERFECT. Maximum effect at minimum expense. Sorry they didn't do it YOUR way. If only you were there and told them how to do it BETTER.

No, I do not want to hate it. In fact that part was the least of my concerns with the movie, but the reasoning given for that scene was just bad. If that was the only problem I had with the movie I could over look it and been happy, but the stupidity of it all just adds to the disappointment.

I'm sorry they didn't do it my way either because it would have at least made more damn sense.

[Halyon]

No, I do not want to hate it. In fact that part was the least of my concerns with the movie, but the reasoning given for that scene was just bad. If that was the only problem I had with the movie I could over look it and been happy, but the stupidity of it all just adds to the disappointment.

I'm sorry they didn't do it my way either because it would have at least made more damn sense.

That's up for debate...

[Altrec]

Huh...didn't stop to think that the new X-Wings would be an upgrade over the old ones. And I guess it makes sense that the First Order would take TIE fighters even if the new X-Wings surpassed them, they are all about appearances and uniformity.

Those are new upgraded X-Wings. In TFA and TLJ they are using T-70 X-Wings in place of the older T-65 that they used in the original trilogy. The T-70 are lighter faster and have a rear gun to help protect themselves from fighters getting behind them. The newer Tie Fighters have similar upgrades.

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Just asking why. That moment was a HUGE cheer in my theatre. I thought it was perfect for him. He got his moment to be super-powerful, to be witty, to show the 'kid' that he's not as all-powerful as he thought, got to show off a new force power, save the Rebels, and then sacrifice himself to the Force, where he can ultimately be much MUCH more help to Rey than he ever could be in human form.

It was perfect.

Your theatre and mine had very different reactions. That being said a proper send off would need to involve a complete rework of both the TFA and TLJ. At the very least I wanted him to be more true to the original character, and go down swinging and/or more Obi-Wan like rather than just baiting the audience like they did. That scene just didn't have the impact I wanted as it was very anticlimactic.

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You really didn't pay attention then. First Order is not the Empire. Snoke wasn't living on Coruscant commanding the entire galaxy to do his bidding and provide him with ships and soldiers, like the Emperor did. In fact that part about the casino that everyone thinks was irrelevant was quite relevant in this context. First Order and Resistance BUY weapons from SAME PEOPLE. Empire produced their own. And yes they value their stormtroopers because it's a pain in the ass to get them and train them, because they literally have to kidnap kids for that as explained by Finn, while Empire just recruited

Its a fair point, but it doesn't stop me finding the whole chase concept rather boring.

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Ill be interested to see how i feel about this movie in a few months when i rewatch it, without the hype and expectations.

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The only "LGBT propaganda vibe" I wrote off pretty quick was purple haired Holdo's good bye embrace with Leia. It came across a little odd for some reason. I'm really not sure what the other person was referring too.

I didn't get any LGBT vibes from the movie at all. I was honestly expecting more romance to be in the film, i was surprised the only romance i can remember seeing is between Finn and Rose.

If you want star wars with LGBT rammed down your throat, go and read the aftermath series

[baskev]

So the first order actually cares about storm trooper lives? I always assumed they would take a more headstrong appraoch and not really care if they lost a lot of stormtroopers, as long as they won.

euuuuhhh....... lets explain.

Clones: bred, medium hard to replace.
Droids: build, easy to replace.
Empire: fast network of many planets. Years of building up a force. cheap. Easy to replace. Was build on top of the old republic.

So that is why all the above are more cannon fodder , in attack style.

Why the first order so defensive about their army:
- they are not droids so not easy to replace
- they are not clones. So they can not put in money just to print some more clones. And even then..it takes time to clone them.
- Empire. First order had less space, less worlds, less resources and less time to build a grand army like the empire. They fled know space. So most of the troopers are stolen children ( or children of fleeing imperials who joined the first order). So way less people to feed into their army. And seeing as they are as worse as the empire...i do not think many people will be willing to join. And if you look at operation cinder , it explains even more why people are thinking...nope not doing that again.

[Nefarious Tea]

So my thoughts on the film:


1. The Resistance flying their bombers so close together that they got caught in each other's explosions was incredibly dumb.

2. That being said, the death of Paige, and Rose's reaction to it was incredible. Honestly, Rose is my favorite character simply because she's [i]not[/i] a hero. She's just a maintenance tech that is [I]forced[/I] (pardon the pun) to do heroic things.

3. I'm seriously surprised there were no Hutts on Canto Bight. That being said, interesting to see some morally grey in Star Wars, with the Resistance buying equipment from the same arms dealers as the First Order.

4. WHY THE FUCK was the Resistance even burning fuel at all in the first place at sublight?! There's no air resistances in space, and Leia's flagship is guaranteed faster at sublight than Snoke's compensating-for-something ship. They could have ramped up to max sublight and just coasted away while giving the First Order the finger out of viewports. Ships don't magically slow down in space because there's nothing TO slow them down. Whoever wrote that needs to be right fucking smacked. If anything, they should have set it up as a series of hyperspace jumps, because that would actually burn fuel AND have made more sense.

5. Why the fuck didn't Snoke, on multiple occasions, strangle Hux? Darth Vader was Force-choking someone every ten minutes in ESB. I get it, he's a moron and easily manipulated, but there's thousands of other moron space-Nazis that could fill his place, and he spend basically the entire movie fucking up and allowing the Resistance to not completely be killed yet. Why didn't [I]Kylo Ren[/I] do so, for that matter, especially when he came to with Hux [I]very obviously[/I] about to pull a blaster on him?

6. I really enjoyed the slow reveal of the truth of what happened the night Ben Solo destroyed Luke's Praxeum. Very cleverly done, and an excellent way of showing that there are three sides to every story: one person's, the other person's, and the truth.

7. Should have been Leia going solo on the flagship at the end, honestly. Regardless, Disney promised to not zombie-CGI Carrie Fisher which means they must have pulled some scenes of her from this movie into Episode IX, or the timeskip will be enough that she's died (however it happens) and Episode IX will open on her funeral or something.

8. The lightspeed kamikaze by Amilyn Holdo was great, but it should have done WAY more damage. I get that Rey, and separately Rose, BB-8, and Fin, were on Snoke's ship and had to survive but they could have changed the timing of the film to get them out first. The Galaxy takes approximately a week to cross in hyperspace. Being a spiral galaxy, it's probably around 100,000 light years across, like ours is (Andromeda is ~120,000). Hyperspace travel is thus around 0.16 lightyears per second, or 595 light years per hour. The [I]Raddus[/I] is probably 2-3 km long had I to guess, so approximately twice an Imperial star destroyer. Star destroyers weigh somewhere in the neighborhood of 25-50 MILLION tons. If force is mass times acceleration, and impact force is mass times instant deceleration, that's an impact force of roughly... 70-100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 N/m^2, or SEVENTY TO ONE HUNDRED OCTILLION NEWTONS PER METER SQUARED. The TL;DR is that the entire first order fleet should have been obliterated instantly in essentially a supernova. And honestly that should have been the end of the film, Holdo sacrificing herself and taking down the First order fleet with her, allowing the transports to get away. Roll credits.

9. Too many transports were destroyed by the bombardment honestly (and why didn't they, I don't know... try to evade the incoming fire? It was coming from extreme range). I understand that it's act 2 of 3 in the story but fuck... the Resistance is down to like twelve people now. There's no one [I]left[/I] to win in Episode IX.

10. Luke's death was incredibly well done though. A very noble, and very Jedi end to a beloved character.

11. I feel like Kylo Ren was lying about Rey's parentage. Or a half-truth, anyway. It's such a Sith thing, even if he's not actually a Sith, that it is actually a specific combat technique with a bloody name. Anyway, they're unlikely to be related to a galactic legend like Luke or Obi-Wan Kenobi, but you don't sell your child to essentially a slaver for drink money... and still have enough credits to keep your ship and get off-planet.

12. Snoke's death was hilarious. I really enjoyed how his hubris was his undoing, especially after all his [I]talk[/I] of hubris while tossing Rey around. I'm disappointed we got no backstory, though... you don't get THAT deformed and not have the audience want to know [I]why?[/I]

[Belize]

I have many issues with this film.

One of which is lazy writing. "Yeah lets kill off this character with a lot of potential for backstory'

"Lets kill off this beloved meme character ARE YOU FEELING EMOTIONS YET??"

[Sormine]

I have many issues with this film.

One of which is lazy writing. "Yeah lets kill off this character with a lot of potential for backstory'

"Lets kill off this beloved meme character ARE YOU FEELING EMOTIONS YET??"

Star Wars has never had great writing.

[Deleted]

I have many issues with this film.

One of which is lazy writing. "Yeah lets kill off this character with a lot of potential for backstory'

"Lets kill off this beloved meme character ARE YOU FEELING EMOTIONS YET??"

I wouldn't have minded them killing off Snoke if they just gave a few more hints about his background before doing so. By the looks of him he has a fairly interesting past, but we still have nothing to go on, a few hints to his identity and background would have been much appreciated. Wasn't expecting a full on backstory in the film, just something little.

[Altrec]

euuuuhhh....... lets explain.

Clones: bred, medium hard to replace.
Droids: build, easy to replace.
Empire: fast network of many planets. Years of building up a force. cheap. Easy to replace. Was build on top of the old republic.

So that is why all the above are more cannon fodder , in attack style.

Why the first order so defensive about their army:
- they are not droids so not easy to replace
- they are not clones. So they can not put in money just to print some more clones. And even then..it takes time to clone them.
- Empire. First order had less space, less worlds, less resources and less time to build a grand army like the empire. They fled know space. So most of the troopers are stolen children ( or children of fleeing imperials who joined the first order). So way less people to feed into their army. And seeing as they are as worse as the empire...i do not think many people will be willing to join. And if you look at operation cinder , it explains even more why people are thinking...nope not doing that again.

The First Order apparently had enough resources and people to build Star Killer base and man numerous star destroyers and at least 2 ships roughly the size of super star destroyers. That is hundreds of thousands of people. Sending out a large squadron of fighters and bombers to completely wipe out the rebel ships would have been worth the potential loss of pilots. I single cruiser backed up by a transport and a medical frigate are not exactly a game changer.

[Sormine]

I wouldn't have minded them killing off Snoke if they just gave a few more hints about his background before doing so. By the looks of him he has a fairly interesting past, but we still have nothing to go on, a few hints to his identity and background would have been much appreciated. Wasn't expecting a full on backstory in the film, just something little.

I said this earlier, Did he not mention something about his former apprentice?"

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I said this earlier, Did he not mention something about his former apprentice?"

I don't remember him saying that, but its possible i missed it. I personally think Snoke will still be relevant in the next film, If not im confident we will get backstory in a comic or book.

[Arrowstormen]

I have many issues with this film.

One of which is lazy writing. "Yeah lets kill off this character with a lot of potential for backstory'

"Lets kill off this beloved meme character ARE YOU FEELING EMOTIONS YET??"

That is so not lazy writing. Do you people even know what writing is?

Especially in a freaking Star Wars movie. There will be short stories, foot long Wookiepedia entries, comics, pictures, etc., depicting the history of Evil BB-8.

So I can see why old fans would be upset about how Luke was portrayed, even though I found it awesome. However, people being upset that Snoke was killed, a guy with three short scenes in TFA, because they had spend time making fanfics or theorizing about him, blows my mind.

[Selastan]

I wouldn't have minded them killing off Snoke if they just gave a few more hints about his background before doing so. By the looks of him he has a fairly interesting past, but we still have nothing to go on, a few hints to his identity and background would have been much appreciated. Wasn't expecting a full on backstory in the film, just something little.

I'm pretty sure it was on purpose. They wanted Snoke to be a mystery, to lull the audience into thinking he has plot armor, considering how who or why he is hasn't been close to answered, so it could make Kylo's betrayal more shocking. TBH, they did their job. I did not see anything in this movie coming. I fully expected Rey to turn to the dark and Kylo to the light, and the beginning of the movie seemed to hint at that. The only thing I kind of predicted was Luke's sacrifice, although I thought it would be a mirror to Obi-Wan's. Instead, he got his own sendoff, which was a great end to a great character. I can't wait to see Luke's Force ghost taunting Kylo...guy is going to get so pissed.

[Deleted]

I'm pretty sure it was on purpose. They wanted Snoke to be a mystery, to lull the audience into thinking he has plot armor, considering how who or why he is hasn't been close to answered, so it could make Kylo's betrayal more shocking. TBH, they did their job. I did not see anything in this movie coming. I fully expected Rey to turn to the dark and Kylo to the light, and the beginning of the movie seemed to hint at that. The only thing I kind of predicted was Luke's sacrifice, although I thought it would be a mirror to Obi-Wan's. Instead, he got his own sendoff, which was a great end to a great character. I can't wait to see Luke's Force ghost taunting Kylo...guy is going to get so pissed.

The only truly unexpected things for me were Snoke dying and Leia living. I though Luke would die, but i thought he would physically sacrafice himself to save Rey from Snoke.

[Kraenen]

I didnt expect Kylo to be so shredded.

Guess he was talking truth in that SNL sketch.

got any pics?